Anonymous OP 1d

Title: Isolate, Inebriate, Intimidate, Repeat: High Rates of Sexual Force Against Women Are Reported When Young Men Given Anonymous Surveys

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Anonymous OP 1d

Authors: Lucia F. O’Sullivan, Scott T. Ronis

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Anonymous OP 1d

“Had a female friend around to make the woman Feel safe and convince her”

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Anonymous OP 1d

“Focused on a stranger to have sex with (or someone who did not know you)”

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Anonymous OP 1d

“Had a female friend bring her to you”

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Anonymous OP 22h

I’m not sure how to feel abt this since the first/third are just having a wingwoman, like it’s not violating consent to make someone feel safe by showing that another woman feels safe around you

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Anonymous #1 10h

Yeah, this is why I included this. The study indicated that this was specifically done in attempt to get sex from someone they knew did not want sex. Essentially, in attempt to change a no into a yes, they involved female friends to hopefully make her feel more comfortable around them. It’s manipulative because they attempted to influence her feelings and override her no.

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Anonymous OP 9h

I’ll be honest, I’m still confused. If I was in a bar and didn’t want to have sex with one specific stranger, that’d be a “no.”but if I got to know him better after his female friend brought me over, then my no might become a yes. I don’t see it as manipulation that he intentionally has a female friend involved, since it’s more of a signal that a woman trusts him and makes me feel safer, which I see as a good thing. I feel like I’m missing something since the intent doesn’t seem malevolent

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Anonymous #1 8h

Well, he didn’t prove anything by virtue of the female friend. You trust her more, but that’s not because of anything she did. It’s your brain pattern matching. It generates a feeling of safety. Feelings are not the same as actual safety. It’s like drawing a pretty picture instead of offering data. Manipulates feelings with no facts to back them up.

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Anonymous #1 8h

You’re right that it’s not super malevolent. The guys who do this probably think it’s totally innocent. However, his intent is still not total respect of her freedom. Total respect would entail ceasing all attempts to have sex with her or change her mind unless SHE changes her mind on her own.

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Anonymous OP 8h

idk girl, there’s a lot of things that we as humans do to make each other feel comfortable. most of those things don’t inherently prove our morals, but people don’t see them as manipulative, either. it’s not a violation of consent to be likable. and these are the least manipulative things on the list, but if this is manipulative then every person on the planet is manipulative.

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