Anonymous #1 3w

holy dumbass

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Anonymous #1 3w

this is exactly what i’m talking about

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Anonymous #2 3w

Mention one dumb thing I said 🤔 I’ll wait…

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Anonymous #3 3w

i was trying so hard to explain that sometimes people are flakey and that its just dating apps and i as a woman have experienced it too, but then he would say you dont understand what men go through, and i would give an exact example of something that happened to me and he would be like okay but no

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Anonymous #3 3w

Lmao thats definitely not true, I cant even remember the last time I saw an andrew tate video and im a guy. Plus your logic doesnt even make sense, if we go by your logic, then wouldnt you also see way more guys going the opposite direction? Due to only fans and half naked women on twitch

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Anonymous #1 3w

Dumb things you said: “half of yall go crazy whenever a guy says anything that falls slightly out of your narrow perspective.“ “Its honestly not too hard to see why so many become incels, I think this is an unfixable problem.” “Best thing you can hope for if you want to reverse this trend is to pray for a green new deal once trump leaves and a new democrat takes office”

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Anonymous #1 3w

Not saying all of twitch is all half naked women, but I feel like you see way more of them than the andrew tates types(if there are still any other than asmongold that is, im pretty sure all of them are in ramble, which bolsters my point even more)

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Anonymous #4 3w

Ok and here is the part were you are going to have to use your brain… explain why you think its dumb. If I wanted you to simply copy and paste my statements back to me, I would just use chatgpt

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Anonymous OP 3w

And you also just proved my point as to why I believe this problem will never be fixed. Like deadass, I said half of yall go crazy whenever we say anything that slightly goes against your narrow pov, and then you instantly do exactly that I am sure you could write a comedy script around this lol

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Anonymous #1 3w

^in response to op’s reply

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

First comment I 100% agree with, im sorry for your experience

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

And whats pissing me off is why is she getting downvoted 😂

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

I could spend hours going into exactly how this happened but the basics of it is simple. Gen Z is broke. We have experienced such horrific tragedies that we truly don’t believe anything will be better. And thus people are clinging to what appeared to be “good times” and putting the fault on each other. We can see the divide so easily. We also have MAGA to thank for this. With the way the president and other leaders treat women and minorities, it’s a wonder we haven’t seen worse.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I disagree with your comments. I don’t think it has anything to do with people saying things outside of our “narrow perspective” it has everything to do with how we are treated. These men who I’ve interacted with do not treat me as a human being. I have gotten comments on here such as “You should be a housewife, you’d be better off pregnant, your degree is useless, a woman getting educated is worthless-“ and much much worse that I cannot say on here for fear of my comments taken down.

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Anonymous #1 3w

“Half of yall go crazy”- an overestimation. “An unfixable problem”- most things can be at least worked on. “Pray for a green new deal”- not the solution or the best thing. I also don’t owe you an explanation

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Anonymous #1 3w

So yeah, this isn’t a small issue. This is a good portion of the population of men my own age who do not believe I have inherent worth or dignity as a human being. There’s little wonder women are furthering themselves from men.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

No thats just cope, humans have always treated each other horribly. I mean do I even have to go over america’s history and how they treated women back then? Andrew tate would be a god send compared to how we treated women in the past. Back then if you complained about your husband, you could be labeled with hysteria and by sent to a psych ward were you would be treated like a crazy person. Doesnt matter if you had a valid complaint, like your husband cheated.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m well aware of that. However we don’t live in those times anymore. And what we are seeing is that young men are breaking the pattern of each generation being more liberal and having young men go more conservative. There’s fantastic articles on this trend if you’d like. The reason Gen Z is like this is in part because we weren’t expecting this. We were in our formative years when this occurred. What you are speaking about isn’t even the 50’s. It’s older. And that’s still no excuse.

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Anonymous #1 3w

In fact, im almost 100% positive that was legal by law. I believe the excuse they used back then was that a man cant be compelled not to pursue their sexual urges. Or perhaps that was the justification for rape, it was either of the two. Regardless my point still stands

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Anonymous #1 3w

And your point doesn’t take away that we see young men agreeing with things like that. That there are studies talking about the amount of young men who don’t believe women should be able to vote. This is the ideology that is being spread and it is infecting people. Like I said, it’s no wonder we see a gender divide the way we do.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

Ppl are just naturally very bad at treating each other very fairly. Imo, theres no other explanation that makes sense, and I cant see why there would be as we indeed only just finish evolving like 100.000 years ago, and became ‘civilized’ about 10.000, if even that as most civilized societies were either unknown or very quickly deemed themselves superior from everyone else and closed themselves off. We never really had a true, liberalized, coombaya, equal diverse society until the roman empire

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Anonymous #1 3w

You are bringing things that aren’t relevant to this conversation. We aren’t talking about 100,000 years ago or even 50. We are talking about today and why there seems to be so much hostility, that appears even more prominent than 10 or 15 years ago. Because back then you did not have the same issues in America that we do now. People are bad at treating each other well but why would a pattern that has been present since Nixon be broken?

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Anonymous #1 3w

And that was what, about 2000 years ago? Definitely not enough time, especially when you consider the fact that we used to be no different from chimps not too long ago(who arent exactly any friendlier than us, but im sure you see my point)

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Anonymous #1 3w

Your point doesn’t matter. We aren’t talking about how things have changed for the better. OP opened this up to talk about how incel behavior has become mainstream. If you don’t want to have a conversation about what is relevant, I don’t want to waste my time trying to have an intelligent conversation.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Awwwwwww you are soo naive and perfect that I am not even going to respond to what you said. It would feel too wrong, like im insulting a child. I do appreciate your response though, helped me understand how many of yall think

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Anonymous #1 3w

Patronizing people you are supposed to have a discussion with isn’t showing a good foot. Clearly we can see you came into this conversation with a bias and hopes to make us look like the ignorant ones. You failed.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

Lmao you are responding to a comment I made to a whole different person, with your very own subjective experience, that I also in no way can gain a good reference for. Im sorry but I simply just dont see how your reply in any way contradicts with what I said. I’ll admit it may be harsh, but I think you are failing to see that both can be true at the same time

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Anonymous #1 3w

Why would you take my word as what “many” of us think. I only speak for myself. To say that I am doing otherwise is just you justifying your own opinion.

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Anonymous #1 3w

That being that every one of your experiences could be valid, and it still could be also true that the fact that many women so quickly turn tribal every single time someone slightly challenges their pov, also turns a lot of guys off(especially in times such as this). This is why I feel like its very silly to go down this route lol

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Anonymous #1 3w

Once again, you are not addressing my original point, nor OP’s. Clearly you don’t care to have a conversation about what this was made for. If you wish to talk about how rights have changed and evolved, make your own post. This one is to share and talk about incels and our experiences and why we believe it’s become mainstream. Not in any bit did you actually contribute to a meaningful discussion.

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Anonymous #1 3w

You never even mentioned women in any of your comments with me and now you claim that I am the one who did not take into consideration your words? You are being pedantic on purpose. I am done speaking with you.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I worked with a little girl who was a little larger for her age (both height and weight wise. She was nearly my height at only 8) and she started crying because a boy called her fat. He was making fun of her weight and being extremely rude. I see this behavior very often in young boys. And men my age don’t help. The same summer, I had a coworker who asked a little boy if the girl he was friends with was his “girlfriend.” These children were 5 years old. It starts so young.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

Lmao if you want to get triggered and leave, then leave. First off I obviously wasnt aware with the fact that theres been a change in demographic trends, and that point was no where brought up in your original comment, nor your 2nd comment that I was previously responding to. So to expect me to automatically be aware of that, or address that in anyway is ridiculous.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Second you for whatever reason made your 2nd comment in reference to an entirely different comment that I made to someone else, which is why I did not reference anything you said after that. If you are not going to at least be good faith with me, as I clearly have been the entirety of this comment chain until now, then the feeling is mutual. You can go fuck off, because this is no fun for me either

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

I see whats going on. You should dm me, this app was never made for one on one in depth non casual discussions. So you are simply constantly responding to the same long comment chain I had to break up into chunks. Thats why the conversation feels out of wack. And so unless you are trying to farm pointless reddit karma upvotes, I think its best to have this conversation through dm. I just turned on my dm

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

I didn’t treat u badly

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

What??! Ahhh I see what you are saying… So I must secretly have a thing against women and I must be on a mission to make women look bad… Whatever, you are simply just proving my point anyways😂 Women go crazy as soon as you slightly challenge their beliefs, proof right here^^^^^

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Anonymous #1 3w

Next

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Anonymous #1 3w

To clarify, key in on how I say 'half'. I think its fair for me to exaggerate as I already clarified this in my top comment, but I just want to point this out as I understand many of yall go tribal mode and dont think straight upon disagreement. In fact, thats the only thing I regret not clarifying in my top comment. Half of women go crazy and tribal, thats what truly is driving many guys into incels, not whatever random thing this lady is mentioning

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Anonymous #1 3w

You having good faith? I mentioned in my second post before you even started having a conversation with me and instead was simply talking about upvotes that I disagreed with you. There was no conversation before that. Making yourself the victim of a situation you started isn’t doing any favors. Also why the hell should I care about upvotes? I care about having actual constructive conversation. Whereas you just wanted another person to rant to. I mentioned demographic changes very early on.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Either you are simply not reading what I am saying, or you never cared in the first place.

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Anonymous historybuff 3w

Notice poli sci that I never mentioned you by name. If you feel called out by my mentioning of at least 7 men on here who followed incel ideology and who treated me poorly that is you who is making that assumption, not I.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Did I ever say that? You didn’t challenge my beliefs. The proof is in our “conversation” and yours here. You never tried to have a conversation, never tried to mention any evidence, didn’t ask for sources. Simply said what you wanted and moved on. That’s not proving anything, that’s using people as straw-men.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

Yeah you seem to not understand technology. A lot of the time you have to refresh the page for new conversations to pop up. I had to do it plenty of times whenever I responded to you for example. Thats why I said its meaningless to try to have a constructive conversation through non dms. And yes half the time I indeed havent read what you said, you are a very redundant person

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

I am the who simply want another person to rant to? Am I the one who was bitching about what mean things 7 other guys said to me from an entirely different post? Aye at least whenever I bitch, I at least try to keep it relevant to the conversation at hand

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

Give me a source that shows this pattern breaking. That young men are as a whole less liberal than young men in the past

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Anonymous #1 3w

The conversation was relevant. Which you would’ve known if you bothered to read anything I said. My personal experience was extremely relevant to what OP was talking about. And also is supported by the data. But I’ll drop the article and leave since I can’t trust you to read at all.

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Anonymous #1 3w

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-growing-gender-gap-among-young-people/ here’s one article, https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-young-people-right-wing-voters-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/?ref=hir.harvard.edu, https://hir.harvard.edu/young-educated-and-less-liberal-the-new-political-face-of-voters-across-western-democracies/amp/

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Anonymous #1 3w

so lets say I have a narrow view, so do you by your own logic? you don’t leave any room to see other peoples perspectives. I totally see how for a lot of men talking to women can be intimidating and maybe even scary, people can be awful, however when someone I dont know on a dating app says send nudes, i dont believe im narrow minded by beinf uncomfortable

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 3w

What “consequences”?

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Anonymous #9 3w

its the worst when men tell me, a woman, what I want in a man. Like i know what i want and I havent found it yet, they act like guys who are actually nice to women are a dime a dozen when they are acting like assholes online proving otherwise

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It’s never every boy or every man but it is enough of them and the behavior is excused enough that is is a major problem all around the world honestly not just in America

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Anonymous #6 3w

What creates incels isn’t the boys who are doing the things I listed but it’s the fact they don’t get punished for it. It’s the fact that this behavior is normalized and seen as “ok”. It’s the fact that when little girls come up to teachers saying a boy is making them uncomfortable the teacher doesn’t help but instead tells the little girls to “stop bugging him”. It’s the fact that the boys who pulled of the girls hijab were honor roll students and still walked during graduation

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An incel is someone who thinks they are entitled to someone else’s body just because they don’t get any. How does that not lead to people being a rapist

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Not being able to understand when you are making someone uncomfortable. Getting mad at someone for turning you down. Another thing that can is getting mad when someone doesn’t agree with your opinions. These are things that can make someone go from “wanting basic love and respect” into someone who can hurt others

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Anonymous OP 3w

What? Yeah I can see why you would be uncomfortable as well, why would you assume I disagree

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Anonymous #1 3w

because of your statement of a narrow view point, im curious what you think people are rejecting people over

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Anonymous #10 3w

Bruh are these women simply just disliking any post/comment that offends them 😂

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Anonymous OP 3w

No my statement was that plenty of women go crazy whenever you disagree with them. Guys sending you nudes has nothing to do with having a disagreement or anything I said. Just admit that you were being unfair and automatically judged me as a woman hater 😂

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Anonymous #10 3w

honestly i agree with this entirely!!!!

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Anonymous #1 3w

you didnt say disagree, if you had said that i think the conversation could have been different! this may be a case of the social media thing where it just radicalizes people because i dont know anyone who gets mad simply because someone disagrees in general

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Anonymous OP 3w

Whats the difference between that and what I said in my top comment?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I was starting to wonder if I was wrong because of all the dislikes 😭

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Anonymous #10 3w

Well how about being smarter and stop letting other ppl’s opinions control your owns?

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Anonymous #10 3w

Do you really wanna be a follower all your life?

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Anonymous #1 3w

god damn you are a hell of a yapper

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