Anonymous #9 6w

Girls should be socialized to be badass, outspoken, protective of their friends and themselves, and utterly intolerant of people crossing boundaries. All pedophiles should be killed. All rapists should be rendered infertile. Contraceptives should be free for anyone with a period. Maternal healthcare should be free. Families should be structured around female friend groups, not marriages, and all abusive partners should be shunned by society.

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Anonymous #9 6w

If we solve the underlying issues that lead to abortion, we won’t have to talk about abortion. It will really just be for rare high risk pregnancies. So let’s destroy all remnants of toxic patriarchy and all forms of exploitation.

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Anonymous #9 6w

I think your missing one of the main points is that people should stop hooking up and sleeping around and instead wait for marriage for having sex or until they’re ready to have children

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Anonymous OP 6w

that’s just unrealistic. ppl are going to have sex. preaching abstinence only is actually one of the things that leads to more teen/ accidental pregnancies. bc it doesn’t work! people having premarital sex isn’t the issue

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Anonymous OP 6w

Maybe men shouldn’t rape women or make decisions about their healthcare?

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Anonymous OP 6w

Did you know that a lot of abortions are by married mothers? Ppl expected to have sex all the time who simply can’t afford or get through another pregnancy

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Anonymous hellraiser 6w

I think it isn’t a coincidence that ever since hook up culture has been normalized in society, abortions have gone up. It’s not realistic because our world has gone secular but there wouldn’t be as many abortions if people did that.

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Anonymous #9 6w

Hence why I also added until they’re ready to have children, that would make there be less abortions. I’m not saying people have to follow this, but in an idealistic world this mindset would prevent the amount of abortions we see in society.

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Anonymous OP 5w

So your ideal scenario is one where a married couple has sex until they have all the kids they want, then never has sex again?

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Anonymous #9 5w

Not neccesarily, in the ideal context you have sex in a marital context with the intention knowing you can have children. But also your fertility lowers when you get to your mid to late 30s and you’re not gonna get pregnant everytime you have sex.

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Anonymous polaris_55 5w

Men raping women is not what I’m referring to here and none of this disputes what I said that less hookup culture would lead to less abortions

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Anonymous OP 5w

Wouldn’t men not raping women also lead to less abortions? And what does it matter if some people are more “promiscuous” if they learn how to do it safely? Teaching abstinence and abstinence alone is a poor method and almost always fails to properly educate people how to have safe sex.

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Anonymous polaris_55 5w

Sure, but it goes without saying that raping women is wrong and it would lead to less abortions. But the reality is majority of abortions are not because of rape, but rather due to people sleeping around and being promiscuous. Also doing it unprotected as well. Then getting the abortion as a get out of jail card to avoid having the child, when it all could’ve been avoided if you chose abstinence until you were ready to have children.

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Anonymous OP 5w

shitty logic, that’s like saying ppl who get lung cancer from smoking shouldn’t be able to get treatment. choosing abstinence to avoid having children is like not driving a car to avoid having a car accident. it’s not realistic. getcho purity culture bullshit outta here

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

None of those things are remotely similar. Just because you’re not religious and don’t believe in abstinence doesn’t mean in an idelistic world, it wouldn’t lead to less abortions.

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Anonymous OP 5w

yeah and not driving would lead to less car accidents. do you get it now? it’s not a good solution because people are never going to do it. people are going to continue to have sex. i thought it was common knowledge that preaching abstinence only sex ed in schools leads to more accidental pregnancies than teaching safe sex.

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Anonymous OP 5w

YOUR ideal context. majority of people enjoy sex and recognize it as a healthy part of life and relationships!

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

It’s very different when the main purpose of having sex is for reproduction whereas the main purpose of driving isn’t to get into an accident. This would only apply if pleasure was the main purpose of sex, but it’s not. Also how would preaching abstinence lead to accidental pregnancies when hookup culture is what is actually causing that?

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

Like I said, I didn’t say people HAD to do that, because I know we live in a secular world and that’s unrealistic. But it would lead to less abortions, and you haven’t refuted that throughout this entire conversation.

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Anonymous OP 5w

ya i don’t intend to refute that. obviously less sex would mean less abortions. again- back to my car accident analogy. less driving would mean less car accidents. but no one is going around saying ppl should stop driving, because it’s obvious that people are going to keep driving. just like ppl are going to keep having sex. there are more realistic solutions to decreasing the amt of abortions that don’t contribute to a culture of shame around sex !

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Anonymous OP 5w

just because sex has the biological purpose of reproduction doesn’t mean that that needs to be everyone’s motivation for having sex, please. the clitoris exists entirely for pleasure and plays no role in reproduction. sex is supposed to be enjoyable. ppl have been having sex for pleasure since the dawn of time. having sex has physical and emotional benefits, as well as benefits in relationships.

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Anonymous OP 5w

and it’s well documented that teaching abstinence only sex education, as opposed to comprehensive sex education, causes more accidentally pregnancies because telling teens not to have sex doesn’t fuckin work!!! what works is teaching them how to have safe sex, providing more accessible birth control, offering plan b

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

But it’s not the abstinence teaching in itself that’s the issue, it’s that people don’t want to listen to it or follow it. Which makes sense since the world is secular. Teaching people to have safe sex makes sense in this modern secular society. But people don’t listen to that either since people want the full sexual experience and feel contraceptives doesn’t allow them to do that.

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

Sex other than for reproduction is not that much of a neccesity like driving is, hence why the analogy doesn’t follow. Preaching abstinence is not “shaming sex” in general it’s shaming excessive sex and hook up culture. Which directly correlates to why abortions have increased in our modern society.

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Anonymous OP 5w

if you haven’t had sex in a loving relationship i can understand why you don’t have the perspective that i do.

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Anonymous hellraiser 5w

I think you not being religious probably has more to do with why I don’t have the same perspective as you

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Anonymous OP 5w

you don’t do sex, i don’t do religion. we have very different experiences and perspectives. i’ll always be open to hearing different view points and opinions, i do hope you are as well, but ultimately i am on the side of empirical data. keep your mind open and have a good night

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Anonymous OP 5w

OP are you aware that sex is pushed onto married women as an expectation, even when the family cannot afford more kids? Often straight from the pulpit. Corrupt, greedy megachurches do it, as do small town pedo pastors. Many husbands treat sex like it’s a favor they’re owed in a marriage, not an act of procreation. Many women do it just to keep the peace. Abortions come out of that.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Also I speak from experience when I say that defending your space and your body is not easy when you’re surrounded by greedy, entitled men. We cannot reasonably expect a 15 year old girl whose parents never taught her about consent to defend herself from the 17 year old boy who pretends to love her so he can get his way. But we can prevent the teen pregnancy with education and condoms, and we can work on teaching her about consent.

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