Yeah no I think being trustful of any stranger off the bat is deranged and unsafe. Trust is earned

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Anonymous #1 1w

And I have a weird feeling that you lock your car door when you leave, idk why you would do that unless you are distrusting of strangers lmao

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Anonymous #1 1w

I deadass don’t 😭 I’m not paranoid and I don’t put myself in situations where I’m an easy target. I sleep with the front door unlocked too, if they want to come in and start shit I got myself protected. I can’t fight for shit, just to be clear. But I found ways to make myself feel safe around the paranoia I picked up from being weak growing up

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Anonymous #1 1w

And no one said trustful- but being *distrustful* off rip instead of just a neutral “oh yea we’re both human beings, more than likely they’re normal since bad people are less common” is very literally paranoia. Look up the definition and see how accurately it fits ur first comment I’m not trying to be sassy

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Anonymous OP 1w

That incredibly stupid makes sense

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Anonymous #1 1w

Nah you sound stupid/impulsive, make a complete coherent sentence before you hit send and think twice about your words

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Anonymous OP 1w

No distrust just means you don’t trust, and paranoia is characterized by IRRATIONAL fear, none of my fears are irrational shawty

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Anonymous OP 1w

You say in a run on sentence. Gurl

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Being distrustful to people who’ve proven themselves to not be trustworthy doesn’t make her paranoid lol

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Anonymous #1 1w

All my words are there girl, I at least can get my thoughts out rationally without skipping over words because I’m so irrationally upset.

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Anonymous OP 1w

There must be projection happening bc girl what🤣🤣

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Anonymous #2 1w

That’s true! Has the random person you’ve never met before shown *any* proof of your distrust? Or are you assigning the actions and values of others in that subsection of society to the group as whole? As in, is your paranoia rooted in reality or bias?

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Anonymous #1 1w

“That incredibly stupid makes sense” girl tell me wtf you were saying here 💀 genuinely this sentence means nothing

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Anonymous OP 1w

Have they ever shown anything to make me trust them? No. Distrust is the absence of trust my dear

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean it’s not paranoia it’s just not being naive lol😭. It also doesn’t matter, it’s better to be safe than sorry unfortunately with many men. From MY experience, a lot of men are not good people. A lot of friendships I’ve had showed me that

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Anonymous #1 1w

Distrust is NOT the absence of trust and that is what I’m trying to say. Defaulting to distrust of someone with NO proof of how they’ll act is paranoia based on personal biases. You may feel validated in these biases due to trauma, but that’s still *due to trauma* and doesn’t make them valid in reality. You need therapy.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Jfc. What you said was incredibly stupid but it makes sense it would be incredibly stupid considering you were saying it

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Anonymous #2 1w

And you’ve met at least 60% of all men on earth to make this assumption about the majority?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Your whole point of “not having proof” is so dense lol.. all of the victims who’ve come forward is enough proof to be cautious around men

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh but I’m the one with run-on sentences ok

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Anonymous OP 1w

Defaulting to trusting someone with no proof of how they’ll act is deranged and unsafe

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Anonymous OP 1w

No I haven’t that’s why I said from my experience doofus

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Anonymous #2 1w

“Cautious” is NOT “distrustful”

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Anonymous OP 1w

Gurl you were the one who started the grammar policing shit.🤣🤣 grow up

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Anonymous #2 1w

And your experiences inform your biases which then produce paranoia. It’s genuinely the same shit with that “13% of the population but 50% of crimes” saying racists use.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Quite literally is shawty

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Anonymous OP 1w

Cautious can quite literally mean distrusting

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Anonymous #1 1w

I didn’t grammar police I told you to clarify a sentence that makes 0 sense whatsoever no matter how you read it.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I don’t see the word cautious once there

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Anonymous OP 1w

Bruh no one here is using statistics in that way. We could EASILY pull out the men commit 99% of rapes stat but alas neither of us did that till now💀

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Anonymous OP 1w

Not at all and I KNEW u were gonna try and compare it to race. Racism is based on PROPAGANDA. Rapists and shit men do is TRUE. There’s a big difference between being racist and not liking men.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Maybe not hard statistics but you guys are using soft words like “most” and “a lot” which ARE statistical phrases.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Me when I pick out a small side point bc my main point makes no sense

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Anonymous OP 1w

I never did that

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Anonymous OP 1w

And ur just being intentionally dense

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Anonymous #2 1w

Is trying to divide men and women by pushing content that causes outrage (algorithms pushing shock content), therefore trying to bring back the idea women need to be “protected”, NOT propaganda?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ur dumb asf if you think nothing bad will ever happen to you bc you trust people blindly

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Anonymous OP 1w

No bc raping someone isn’t propaganda

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Anonymous #2 1w

Like I don’t understand how you can say “shit men do is true!!” And then ignore the fact that racists use that exact same phrasing then pull up corrupt statistics and surveys that support that reasoning.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’ve learned from lived experience not to trust men off the bat after being raped at 16 by a man. are you gonna call it paranoia and irrational fear?

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Anonymous #1 1w

I don’t trust people blindly. But I don’t think people are out to get me based on statistics and anecdotal evidence from friends. I also make sure I’m protected, so if a dangerous situation DOES occur I have a way to even the odds. I don’t look at men and women as any more or less potentially dangerous- everyone gets equal treatment and that’s a neutral “I don’t trust or distrust you- you’re there and I’m here.”

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Anonymous OP 1w

The difference is men don’t have a whole history of bias and discrimination working against them

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Anonymous #1 1w

I learned that at 7 from my stepdad then grew up and realized that just because I experienced something horrific doesn’t mean every single person around me is capable of that.

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Anonymous OP 1w

There were victims who thought this way too

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Anonymous OP 1w

The crime statistics surrounding black people are skewed BECAUSE of things like over policing and racial profiling. Now tell me what societally do men have working against them that would cause them to have heightened crime stats? I’ll wait I expect a good explanation

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Anonymous #1 1w

The inability to share emotionally charged experiences without being seen as “weak” makes it near impossible for most men in “traditional mindsets” to EVER talk about what’s hurt them. The crime stats are “uneven” because the majority of men that were assaulted/harassed/raped by women do not report it because as a society we have not set up men to feel comfortable sharing that.

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Anonymous OP 1w

The point is to acknowledge there’s something wrong with accountability with men in this society. That’s y i personally do not put initial trust in them. We’re not saying every man sucks but it’s not irrational to have a lack of trust based on what we’ve been shown in experience and media. Agree to disagree but without being dense

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I guarantee you’re just gonna dismiss that and fall into the exact pitfall I’m talking about lmao

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Anonymous OP 1w

Not sufficient. The vast majority of rapes are never reported. What discrimination do men face that would cause them to WRONGFULLY make up 99% of rapists

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Anonymous #1 1w

Hook line and sinker lmaooo im done with this conversation you guys are bigots.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’ll give you a hint, it should be institutional. Overpolicing and racial profiling are institutionally ingrained. You’re not gonna tell me men commit 99% of rapes bc mommy never taught him how to express his feelings

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Anonymous OP 1w

Alr so you have no answer to the question. Thanks for proving my entire point! Now have the day you deserve sweetheart💞

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Anonymous #1 1w

Me when I immediately dismiss rape victims

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also, men are more likely to be raped by other men so like

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Anonymous OP 1w

Can you like try to engage in the argument honestly or is that too hard for you?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Have you engaged in it once honestly?

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’ll respond once you tell me what discrimination men face that leads to them making up the vast majority of rapists and violent criminals

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Anonymous OP 1w

You immediately dismiss all of my points with your own anecdotal evidence and random generalizations about men, then when I bring up how men don’t report their rapes either you just dismissed it. You don’t give a shit about anything I have to say here, you’re just dead set on proving something.

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Anonymous #1 1w

And I replied, and you deemed my message irrelevant and dismissed it just like I said you would. It’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Because you’re sitting here trying to tell me “well myself and everyone I know has been raped/assaulted/etc by men! It proves it!

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I’m sitting here saying the same thing about the men I know. But you won’t listen

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Anonymous OP 1w

I didn’t dismiss it girl I literally said even if all rapes we’re reported MEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE RAPED BY OTHER MEN

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Anonymous #1 1w

Stop yelling like a child because you realized you just acted like every man that’s dismissed your story. You literally are bigoted against men. Nothing i say will ever get through to you, it’s like trying to convince a KKK member that a black man is not the devil. Therefore, no longer engaging honestly.

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Anonymous #1 1w

And just to clarify I never wanted this to be about distrusting men. It’s about not trusting strangers in general. I’ve been assaulted by both a man and women before, both of whom I trusted immensely. I don’t trust ANY stranger and doing so is incredibly stupid

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Anonymous #1 1w

And “more likely” is a statistical term. You are still trying to use statistics to dismiss what I’m saying, while acknowledging the statistics are fucked. The cognitive dissonance must rly hurt

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Anonymous #1 1w

And I’m telling you you’re paranoid out of trauma, which you just proved. Get therapy.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok so not going to respond then? Makes sense you wouldn’t

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Anonymous OP 1w

You still haven’t provided one institutional reason why those stats would be biased sooo

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Anonymous #1 1w

Look up lesbian domestic violence and rape statistics then try to come back at me with the “rapes committed on men are usually by other men”. You fundamentally misunderstand statistics, and have fallen for the propaganda which is being used to divide us.

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Anonymous #1 1w

It’s you not recognizing that society is an institution for me

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Anonymous OP 1w

Babes my life is great, I’m gonna keep doing what I’m doing. Good luck with your whole never locking your car or front door thing I’m sure that will go exactly the way you expect it to

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Anonymous OP 1w

Bruh alright that’s just proof that you can’t research. That stat is so misrepresented it literally includes abuse done by men before the lesbian was in lesbian relationships💀😭please do an ounce of research

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m losing brain cells I gotta go do other things for my own well being. Good luck in life girlie pop✨

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Anonymous #1 1w

And YOU do an ounce of research into how many men were actually interviewed in these studies, the how many of these were *repeat offenders*. You are acting like it’s over 50% of the population of men committing these acts, when MULTIPLE studies have proven it’s less than 10% of men committing multiple offenses.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You were the one who brought up the stats and I said I didn’t want to bring up the stats because they are a misrepresentation. U cannot be serious

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Anonymous OP 1w

It’s deadass the SAME thing as the 13%/50% stat and how it was made. That’s why I brought it up. Your research ends at the point where you feel validated in your trauma, and that’s why you’re paranoid.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Which you brought up first, no one else brought up any biased stat shawty

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Anonymous #1 1w

Again, using any sort of language like “most” or “a lot” or “in general” IMPLIES majority, which is a statistic. You are so propagandized you don’t even realize how much of your linguistic framing is even affected.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Pease stop comparing voluntary actions to literal obstacles set up to demean black people😭 it’s not the gag u think it is

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Anonymous #2 1w

When talking about statistics being used for propaganda it is extremely relevant because of the fact that 13%50% line was one of the most successful usecases of this sort of statistical manipulation. I’m not trying to “gag”, im making objective comparisons.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And how does that relate to anything in this conversation

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Anonymous OP 1w

Gurl again you were the first one to bring up any statistic

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Anonymous OP 1w

The point of that stat was to point out how actions of one group are dismissed because of institutional bias towards that group. For example “jaywalking” was heavily over-enforced for black communities, while still being a “voluntary illegal action” that all communities participated in equally. The same can be said about sexual harassment and SA since both are taken much less seriously when reported by men from women- and therefore never recorded.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You said my personal experience being a reason for my cautiousness was “the same as the 13%50% line racists use”… why? When you know for a fact the “13%50% line” is propaganda? Are u saying my personal experience is fake?😭😭??

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Anonymous OP 1w

Police don’t take rape seriously PERIOD

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Anonymous OP 1w

Not just when it’s a woman doing it

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Anonymous OP 1w

And if we’re saying anecdotal evidence of “everyone I know has been harassed/assaulted”, then I’m here as someone with mostly male friends telling you it’s a very similar experience for men. However men are taught by society to take harassment/assault by women as “positive experiences”, and therefore may never report it and believe that behavior is normal.

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Anonymous #1 1w

If anything people gave my male rapist more grace😭 when I bring up my rape story with the man it’s “why would you hang out with him in the first place”, vs when I speak about how I was raped by a girl I get immediate sympathy bc a girl should know better. Men are given far more grace in these situations

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Anonymous #1 1w

Right and I absolutely agree with that phrasing “police don’t take rape seriously PERIOD”

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Anonymous OP 1w

So your evidence to ur point is basically that men can experience assault too? Okay?? I still don’t trust the vast majority of men

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Anonymous #2 1w

No I said the statistical language were the same, I never said your personal experience is fake. But using “most black people commit crimes” and “most me commit rapes” sound pretty fucking similar to me, and they’re based on the same things.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also the difference is men are told by other MEN that rape done by a woman isn’t rape. I never see women defending female rapist, but I do see men saying “damn I wish she was my teacher”

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Anonymous #1 1w

I absolutely see women defending female rapists.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Again you’re comparing factual reports to propaganda

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Anonymous OP 1w

NO ONE SAID most men commit rapes

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Anonymous #2 1w

do you hear yourself? I think a racist would absolutely say the propaganda was factual reports, too.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Skipped over the whole men literally say “I wish that was me” whenever there’s a story of a boy being groomed and assaulted

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Anonymous #1 1w

Never skipped it, mentioned it first actually. Thanks for catching up.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You literally didn’t? You know clearly we are living in two different realities so imma go back to mine and leave you to yours. Gl with that

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Anonymous #1 1w

You did say it, you actually said 99% which is wayyy more concrete than “most”.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Men commit 99% of rapes is a very different statement than “most men commit rape”

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Anonymous OP 1w

And you are being intentionally dense with that one

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Dude go for a walk in any bad area of a big city and get back to me

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yea it’s actually even worse, you just think every man is a rapist. That’s bigotry, just like a racist thinking every black man is a criminal. You are the one being fucking dense.

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Anonymous #1 1w

OP is a fuckin dunce bro LOL

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Anonymous OP 1w

Most REPORTED CASES OF RAPE ARE DONE BY MEN ≠ MOST MEN RAPE

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“Smart people aren’t racist cuz they read”. I don’t even know what to say here. Some of ‘greatest’ authors and some of the most important scientists/minds were EXTREMELY racist. You are not immune to propaganda, no one is.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Like who?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Key word: protection. Lol

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Anonymous OP 1w

Many ppl have protection ur not immune to violence lol

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Anonymous #4 1w

No literally I’m from a big city and this is just so silly. Even if you lock your car you’re still at risk of getting your catalytic converter stolen LMAO

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OP studied at tumblr university fs. Gotcha arguments with zero substance LMAO. Just saying shit to sound clever. Even tossed in the “you are not immune to propaganda” im dyinggg

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m not doing this petty back and forth, look up lovecraft’s cat’s name

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Anonymous #1 1w

💀 that’s why I got a garage? Think ahead yk, don’t leave gold on the street (literally)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Fun facts are not a substitute for a real argument, man

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Anonymous OP 1w

Oh so you are distrustful of strangers

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Anonymous OP 1w

Conversation over guys we can go home now

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m just thinking ahead and not trusting the person who could very well sexually assault me

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Anonymous #2 1w

Literally no one is immune to violence, that’s my whole point. Everyone is out here just trying to make it, and if we stopped being so paranoid and assuming everyone is dangerous we could be more connected. I’m not saying go up to the drunk dude with his hands down his pants, but like we don’t need to have this mindset of “fuck everybody trust no one” that’s literally antisocial.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Have you heard of healthy skepticism

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Anonymous #4 1w

Did I not just talk about hiding my car ? Obviously I have healthy skepticism but flat out distrusting ANY man (the point of this post) is paranoia.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I feel we have gotten lost in the weeds. At this point you have gone full horseshoe and are angrily agreeing with #1s original comment

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Anonymous OP 1w

And to that degree ANY stranger. Because at that point you’re dipping into serious paranoia, thinking any and all strangers are going to rape/assault you at any second is the definition of PTSD paranoia.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Oh but when you distrust people regarding your car it’s fine and just thinking ahead but when I distrust people regarding my personal well being suddenly it’s paranoia

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Anonymous OP 1w

No your whole point was that we shouldn’t be distrusting towards men, COMMONLY reported on violence (domestic abuse, rape, murder, etc). “If we all just hold hands and dance around the fireplace we’ll all be happy” unfortunately this isn’t a TV show

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yes because people are way more likely to steal an asset than rape? Are we being fr? Are you equating someone stealing a catalytic converter to rape?

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Anonymous OP 1w

So first of all no one said that. You are making a fictional argument to get angry at. Reread the original comment and consider if you actually ever disagreed with #1

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ooooohhhhhh

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Anonymous #2 1w

Girl 🤦‍♀️ you me and #1 are having separate conversations in the same thread. You’re getting confused bc you brought men into it when #1 was talking generally

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Anonymous OP 1w

The post you made was literally about men…

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Anonymous OP 1w

Bruh you literally have a .25% likelihood of being robbed. You have a 25% likelihood of being saed. Thats 100x more😭

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Anonymous #4 1w

Yea and I replied to #1 at first, so my point is that me and #1’s disagreement is rooted in a separate argument than #2. I think I replied to myself a few times with arguments meant for #2 which is why they’re probably mixed up.

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Anonymous #1 1w

whooooooooo is reporting every robbery in a low income neighborhood where it’s most likely dawg bffr

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Anonymous OP 1w

Like think critically there

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Anonymous OP 1w

Again majority of rapes go unreported

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Anonymous OP 1w

Think critically here

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Anonymous #1 1w

Anyone here smoke weed

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Anonymous OP 1w

Nah ur just dumb your losing all 3 arguments all at once

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Anonymous #1 1w

ok girl if your life is fulfilled being paranoid and never trusting anyone once and going through life carrying that unresolved trauma- go for it! Idgaf. You’ve proven you’re not willing to accept any sort of perspective on this- you’re clearly happy being miserable and antisocial in your room!

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Anonymous OP 1w

My comment was literally just me agreeing with #1

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Anonymous #4 1w

Meee

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Anonymous OP 1w

Who said I’m miserable and antisocial? How do you gather that from not trusting strangers off the bat? Do you have 0 long time friends you trust??? Lmao

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Anonymous #2 1w

Ur flat out stupid tho bc your comments opened with this, which was just saying “a lot of men are not good people”. #1 is saying not to trust people in general. Reread and comprehend girlie

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Anonymous #1 1w

Do you have no new friends? Do you keep people at an arm’s length emotionally until a certain time period has passed? That’s a weird thing to ask lmao

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Anonymous OP 1w

Both pf us are correct tho, a lot of men are not good people this is true

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Anonymous OP 1w

I know what I said, it MY experience. Just bc u didn’t experience that doesn’t mean it’s not valid

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Anonymous #1 1w

Are you saying “a lot” implying majority? Because, again, you literally cannot know that with how many men exist in the world and it is a taught behavior just like racism.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok so lets recenter. Do we agree that while not all men nor people are bad, it is healthy and reasonable to be skeptical of people in general. Yay or nay

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Anonymous #4 1w

I don’t think we all agree with that first “while” statement based on 1&2’s responses here. I agree it is healthy to be skeptical of people in general, but not to the degree of assuming ‘guilt’ over ‘innocence’.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Im talking about the dictionary definition that was brought up😂😂

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yeah, and even then, its "not like they said" men are incapable of change. So they aren't just living their life trusting no one, because "trust has to be earned". It wouldn't be trust if you just gave it to everyone

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Anonymous OP 1w

Oops! You have just cited a statistic without thinking critically about it! The statistic you have cited says that the likelihood that a woman in a lesbian relationship has been abused is higher. NEVER in that study does it say they have been abused by other women. Many lesbians have dated men previously. And given that many women are assaulted by men, putting two women in a relationship doubles the odds of one of them experiencing abuse at some point. Lets try to not be homophobic next time!

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Anonymous OP 1w

I am too autistic for your “by a lot are you implying majority” bitch I said a lot

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’m autistic too don’t use that shield. Communicate clearly

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Anonymous OP 1w

You are the ones trying to derive secret hidden meanings from simple words my dear

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Anonymous OP 1w

A lot means a lot. I’m not trying to confuse you lmao

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’ll 100% admit to fault on not using that statistic correctly. What I MEANT to say was that the overwhelming majority of lesbians that I know have experienced domestic violence from their partners, and did not report it as it was assumed a “physical fight” was fair. Was not intended to be a homophobic statement, but it is more of *my* experiences with what I’ve observed: abuse/assault/rape is fairly equally likely among all people. But it is so underreported and underrecorded unequally

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Anonymous #1 1w

It is extremely confusing because I’m hearing “a lot” and equating that to “a majority”. Am I wrong? Can you clarify? And not be a dick?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Statistical data proves your personal anecdote wrong. One might call that a form of paranoia (disregarding facts and believing bias purely out of fear)

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Anonymous #4 1w

Or a form of faulty statistical data due to underreporting. Different perspectives, clearly irreconcilable. I go about my life and take this information in and still trust people enough to start that initial feedback loop of giving others trust. That builds community. That builds trust to share stories and open up to me about things that they didn’t know how to talk about more. What you guys are advocating for is antisocial behavior.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You were awfully eager to use a statistic along with a notoriously homophobic (and factually incorrect) argument. That doesnt scream “belief that all people are good” to me. Sounds like youve got some biases you just dont want to face.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yes you are wrong😭 by a lot I mean a large chunk of men are bad. If I mean a majority I woild just say a majority or most

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Large chunk” wtf does that mean girl 😭 30%? 20%? 10%? 60%??

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Anonymous #4 1w

and I admitted fault. I understand to you failure is something to be shamed but I will take that as a learning experience to not quote statistical reports at the same time as making an anecdotal observation. And also not to try and argue with 4 people at once, since clearly you misunderstood a lot of what I said there.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I fear our autism is colliding rn. A large chunk can be like 30-40%

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Anonymous OP 1w

But I also feel like “a lot of” can refer to like individuals. When there’s billions and billions of men, hundreds of men doing a thing IS a lot of men

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yes I know that’s why I asked for clarification and said I was autistic too. That’s a large minority, which is honestly equivalent to my experience with everyone of all genders. That’s a healthy skepticism imo, but I still don’t believe that giving people 0 trust until proven is the way to go. It should be like 20-30% trust, then first impressions really matter imo.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ok but that’s where we differ because I think where our perspectives are colliding is the visualization of 1 billion vs 1000 or whatever. I think the reason why my approach works for me is because I know there’s a lot of bad people out there but I’ll never learn how to discern that if I don’t give people enough trust to betray. If I assume everyone is an evil monster until proven, I can get tricked by someone who knows how to do the bare minimum that you’re not expecting of them.

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Anonymous OP 1w

It’s less abt thinking someone is an “evil monster” and more abt just having a valid initial cautiousness

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Anonymous #2 1w

that may be true for you, I’m talking to #1 here

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I’m talking to you, you’re making it more dramatic so u can disagree

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Anonymous #2 1w

No I’m just tired of you piping up with a wholly separate conversation to what me and #1 started on. I don’t disagree or agree with you, I’m tired of you.

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Anonymous OP 1w

It’s not separate?? I quoted what you JUST SAID?😂

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unlike you I don’t get scared when a small room of people disagree with me 😭 I actually talk to people irl, I’m not moved by a few dislikes. Your comments are separate bc you’re talking about yourself when I’m speaking to #1. To *YOU* it’s relevant. Not to the conversation at hand.

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Anonymous OP 1w

ahaha dropped ur comment ur embarrassed

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah yeah yeah but I’m still right so what now

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Anonymous OP 1w

Na I just thought u were gonna have a corny response (was right)

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Anonymous #2 1w

To *you*, you are right. ☺️

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Anonymous OP 1w

To anybody past 7th grade I’m right

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Anonymous #2 1w

No hun, you’re still in that covid room scared of the outside. The world isn’t that scary.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Anti vaxxer makes a lotttttt of sense (and yes I mean a lot not a majority “hun”)

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Anonymous #2 1w

baby I got the vax immediatelyyyyyyy, cuz I wanted to go outside and talk to people ☺️

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Anonymous #2 1w

Don’t ever disrespect me like that again.

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Anonymous OP 1w

😂😂 And if I do?

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Anonymous OP 1w

I never got a Covid vax or never had Covid. I wasn’t taking a vaccine made so quickly I was not trusting it. Rather just get the flu shot

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Anonymous #1 1w

funny how it goes full circle and how both of those things go against OP’s original argument

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Anonymous OP 1w

…rape is the most unreported crime globally — with most of those non-reports being children. So…that’s a real stat for u.

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Anonymous OP 1w

…bro so YOURE ALSO using ANECDOTAL data…?

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Anonymous OP 1w

bro just admits to being a dumbass by not locking his doors on purpose and that he cannot parce the definition of “distrust” so he gets angry abt being wrong and just wont admit hes wrong

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Anonymous #5 1w

Its like a soap opera (that i was an actor in)

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Anonymous #1 1w

This is sounding really close to 13/50s. You’re just using statistics to fuel your hate fueled prejudice.

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Anonymous #11 1w

I don’t think you were following along, I only pulled out those biased statistics because op pulled out the 13/50 stuff🥴

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Anonymous #13 1w

I get the hesitation. It kinda sucks being someone who isnt weird. But its valid. I take a neutral stance on any strangers i meet but i have the confidence in my ability to judge someones true character sooner than later. And im a guy so i dont have to worry nearly as much about the freaks.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Good show

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Anonymous prob.high.af.rn 1w

I know so many ppl on my campus that apparently keep their apartments unlocked and never carry their keys and there was some burglary going around and suddenly ppl were surprised they got broke into. I grew up locking every door immediately behind me that’d I’d make my roommates carry their key bc I’m locking the door 😭

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Anonymous #6 1w

2nd amendment ☺️ I think that point got lost a lot.

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Anonymous OP 1w

(And to be clear this a situation of “going too far left” I am not maga in the slightest)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Having a gun doesn’t really help if they quietly open the door while you sleep. At least I’d hear them break a window or break the door in💀

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Anonymous #1 1w

Dammmm, not the OP trying to justify why they can keep there doors unlocked even though they have a garage (to keep there car locked up) 🤣🤣🤣 Unless they were just talking about a what if.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And if someone is hurt bc of your carelessness or loses their expensive belongings bc you don’t wanna lock the door then what 💀

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Anonymous #6 1w

Man this is still going? This shit is the simpsons of arguments

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’m at work so I have no idea what you’re talking about. I just see things when I can

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Anonymous #6 1w

Understandable

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Anonymous #5 1w

I put my weapon in a safe with a lock, I put my car in a garage with a keypad, I leave my front door unlocked because most home intruders looking to rape/murder you in your sleep aren’t going to be doing all of that calmly/quietly. If someone is stealthing like a ninja into my house to the point where I don’t hear them outside my bedroom door, a locked door isn’t doing anything.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And this is just based on the idea we’re talking about a stranger, realistically if I’m being attacked in my own home while asleep it’s going to be by someone I “trusted” like a close family member/friend. The type of person who might know you enough to know that you keep a key outside, ur door pad #, or the type of person ur roommates would let in “in an emergency”

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Anonymous OP 1w

There are certain things we can take agency over (like not putting our car out on the street in a neighborhood with high crime), and certain things that would lead you to absolute paranoia and anxiety if you tried to control (locking ur door because you think every single person outside on the street has the capability of walking in your house and murdering you)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Owning a gun is taking agency in a way that doesn’t create paranoia- because now even if I know how much more “likely” I am to be attacked in public, I at least don’t have to be anxious about “what the fuck would I even do if that happens?”. I have a game plan, and can live my life trusting people with more than just 0 trust because I am secure in myself.

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Anonymous OP 1w

This is the stupidest conversation ever. Paranoid enough to have a gun, but won’t lock the front door🤣

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Anonymous #1 1w

It makes more sense when you stop thinking about a gun as a paranoid thing lmao. It’s like wearing boots when you go out in the snow.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Thinking everyone around you is going to rape you? Apparently not paranoid! Thinking everyone around you genuinely has the legal precedent to have a gun on them? Paranoid! That’s ur logic

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Anonymous OP 1w

It makes more sense when you throw away any ounce of logic yes

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Anonymous #1 1w

You are throwing away logic and being led by emotion only lmao, again hun you desperately need better therapy or to be more honest with that 10-yr run therapist

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Anonymous OP 1w

Girliepop you are the one who calls it paranoia to lock your door but owns a gun💀 there’s nothing else left to say. You are immensely illogical

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ok if I cave to at least thinking that you have a point that I might be “looking for a fight” with having a gun but an unlocked door (I disagree but I don’t feel like we’ll ever reconcile the door lock thing- I also live in an apartment so maybe there’s that) will you at least recognize how dumb it is to think having a gun in America is paranoid? That’s genuinely illogical

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Anonymous OP 1w

Btw having a gun in a gun safe in your room where you can easily access it in case of an emergency IS from paranoia. If you were treating iy like a tool it would be a hunting rifle left in a safe in your garage. You’ve somehow backed yourself into this corner where your like “locking the door is paranoia but owning gun is not” and it’s hilarious

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Anonymous #1 1w

You don’t even know basic gun ownership safety 🫩 don’t talk about gun safes if you don’t know shit

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m a pro gun leftist I own a gun myself, I’m just not a complete fucking moron who leaves the door unlocked

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Anonymous #1 1w

Then you should know in the situation you brought up about someone coming in ur house, having a gun in ur garage is just showboating. It’s literally illogical.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Unless it’s for hunting ofc

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Anonymous OP 1w

Bruh you missed the entire point. If you had a gun simply as a tool and not because of paranoia it would be a hunting gun in your garage. What are you using your handgun as a tool for shawty💀

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Anonymous #1 1w

A safety tool? An emergency tool? Are you trying to say I am paranoid for being prepared in case of an emergency? Should I just move my fire extinguishers too because I think I’m a good cook? No need for it in the kitchen, it’s just a tool! You’re paranoid about fires!

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Anonymous #1 1w

You sound dumb

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Anonymous OP 1w

Oh so it’s bc your paranoia

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Anonymous #1 1w

what 💀

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Anonymous #1 1w

Reading comprehension on 0

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Anonymous OP 1w

if I lock my door and am prepped in case of an intruder YOU CALL THAT PARANOIA💀🤣🤣

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Anonymous OP 1w

God you can’t even have a consistent argument. Owns a gun for safety but won’t lock her door for safety. What a fucking idiot

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh my god ok, I already said I’m willing to cave on the door locking part. Super bad point for me to start on! My bad! Clearly you have completely judged me on that initial comment, and since I got downvoted to shit all my comments explaining other shit are gone. In the future I will never joke about not locking my door!

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Anonymous OP 1w

I need to remember that hyperbole and exaggeration are always lost on the internet

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Anonymous OP 1w

And irony and satire since it seems a few of my comments outside of this where I was being very satirical were taken seriously by others. Nuance is impossible online smh

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Anonymous OP 1w

I don’t really care if you cave on that point now, no one is taking safety advice from someone who admitted to not locking their front door

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Anonymous #1 1w

Very fair- and I’ll take this moment with me in the future and try not to make a hyperbolic comparison during a ‘serious’ conversation. It was extremely lost on everyone in that first comment that I was implying anyone who comes in my house non consensually gets blasted.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I just didn’t realize out the gate how serious you were being about never trusting others and how seriously you believe that is not paranoia.

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Anonymous OP 1w

No I caught onto your implication I just think it’s incredibly moronic for you to rather shoot someone than lock your door. I fucking hate your kind of gun owner who is just waiting for a moment to use it

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Rather shoot someone than lock your door” is real victim-blamey when we’re talking about someone breaking consent and having consequences for it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Because at the end of the day that just does NOT describe me and it’s wild you got that conclusion

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m just thinking logically, I have old lady neighbors. What if one of them walks into my apartment on accident bc I left the door unlocked. Oh she violated my consent should I go out and open fire ?

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Did you have to shoot that rapist?? You were dancing all over him in skimpy clothes!!!” that’s what I’m hearing if we follow your logic

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also idk what state you are in but if the door is left unlocked it makes it more difficult to argue self defense since they don’t have to forcefully intrude

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Anonymous #1 1w

Your old lady neighbors could very well be carrying a knife if they break into your home at midnight in the middle of a dementia episode. Sucks to think that way, maybe, but I wouldn’t exactly go for a headshot in that situation. Or any. Center mass, then a mobility shot to neutralize. Gun safety.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Gurl what are you even yapping about I thought you were gonna be serious now

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yea well that’s a whole other conversation about legality that I think we both know is just gonna make us both depressed to talk about how victims rarely get the chance to properly defend themselves.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok so like lock the fucking door so you don’t have to shoot your old lady neighbor? Jesus fucking Christ op

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh my god why are you still taking this ridiculous “you want to shoot people” stance. I’m saying I have the discernment to know the difference between an old lady asking for help in the dark, or just wandering in, and someone coming in with intent to hurt 😭 and I said that shooting part to clarify that even if they have intent to hurt I don’t want to kill them

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Anonymous OP 1w

But am I able to physically stop someone who is stronger than me and has intent to kill? (Old man stumbling in thinking he’s back in Vietnam, if we’re talking about random what-ifs and since you brought up ur neighbors I’ll bring up mine) no. I wouldn’t be able to.

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Anonymous OP 1w

No you aren’t going to convince me otherwise girl. You literally said you keep your doors unlocked and are ready to shoot anyone who comes in. You are to a T one of those gun owners who just wants to shoot someone and it’s incredibly sad and immature and there isn’t really anything else to say. Just lock your fucking door it’s really not that difficult

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Anonymous OP 1w

The lock on your door could stop them from getting in

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh my god, again, it was a hyperbole example. Do I actually, genuinely, think you should leave you door unlocked? FUCK NO. I NEVER SAID THAT. You dumbass. I never said YOU should leave your door unlocked, I was saying *I* feel safe enough to do that based on MY life experiences and the way I have healed and found ways to protect myself.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah you’d rather shoot your old neighbor in a dementia episode than just lock your door so he can’t wander in

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh my fucking god reread my first comments. Did I ANYWHERE say I leave my front door unlocked every night. NOOOOO. I sometimes forget to lock it, and I still sleep at night! But I phrasedddd it as *hyperbole* (which means exaggeration). Am I being clear now?

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Anonymous #1 1w

And also, again, this is genuinely so weird to say! Would you say “oh you shouldn’t wear skimpy clothes around pawpaw, he’s old and gets frisky” ???

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Anonymous OP 1w

You can’t decide now after the fact that you were exaggerating gurl you said that seriously

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Anonymous OP 1w

Comparing leaving your door unlocked to wearing skimpy clothing around men is wild

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Anonymous #1 1w

You are lashing out now because you realized I never said “every night” or “all nights”. I already admitted to this being a bad way to approach this convo and that in the future I will not do this exaggeration. Don’t make yourself look stupid and keep getting mad at something I’m just not saying.

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Anonymous #1 1w

My door being unlocked doesn’t mean you should be able to walk in. My clothes being skimpy doesn’t mean you should get to touch me. It’s a very good comparison but you’re just dead set on not understanding me

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah and flipping someone off on the highway doesn’t mean they get to shoot you, but this is America so hey they just might be insane enough to do so You can’t control your 85 year old dementia having neighbor so make sure you lock your door just in case

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Anonymous OP 1w

Just some life advice for you

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yes and I’ve already said I wouldn’t fucking kill my dementia-riddled neighbor even if they were coming in with a weapon? Basic gun safety training doesn’t teach you to murder bro

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Anonymous OP 1w

That part takes trusting people enough to get to know them so you can recognize your neighbor in the dark lol

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Anonymous OP 1w

See where it all loops back?

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Anonymous OP 1w

You know what let’s get into this. If your dementia neighbor came in with a weapon thinking it’s Vietnam, and you tactfully shot him in the right leg. How is he going to respond? If he thinks he’s in Vietnam he would probably charge at you even with a shot leg. Like can we think this through for a momento💀 OBVIOUSLY the best outcome would be to have your door locked and have him not come in at all right

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Anonymous #1 1w

My dementia neighbor comes in charging with a weapon, I yell out his name using his nickname he told me “buck” since I understand he has dementia. He’s still in the moment but now he recognizes me as friendly, and I’m able to de-escalate because he sees I’m armed and capable like him. I call 911 and stay in the “scene” telling him it’s back-up. Community, because you don’t have to immediately shoot because you can have baseline trust with others that they aren’t looking to “start shit”

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Anonymous OP 1w

Best outcome now is I’ve stopped him going into someone else’s house and got help for him instead of leaving him on the street trying peoples’ doors

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Anonymous OP 1w

Obviously this is a very specific scenario but extracting this to a more broad scenario: I try to de-escalate first while staying protected

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Anonymous OP 1w

You can’t always pull someone out of a dementia episode especially at night. What do you do if he doesn’t recognize you as friendly

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Anonymous #1 1w

Then if he’s charging at me and I’ve tried to de-escalate, then I’m going to defend myself. You’re being dense if you think that’s stupid. And I said center mass shot first, and you always administer aid immediately once neutralized. Someone intent on harming me after I’ve tried to de-escalate is likely to be aggressive to others too, at that point I’m trading my life for another no matter what.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I think the point of difference is that in your mind “locking the door and leaving him on the street” is neutral. To me, that’s just closing your eyes and covering your ears. There might be someone on the street, and he might charge them. Who knows what happens there.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok so now you’ve thought about it, don’t you agree it’s probably better to just make sure your door is locked?

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’d rather lock my door than have to apply life saving care to my old grandpa neighbor I just shot

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Anonymous #1 1w

Then maybe we’re just different, because I absolutely would rather give first aid to my neighbor who I shot than hear my neighbor got arrested after brutally attacking someone on the street.

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Anonymous OP 1w

(Because again, if I shot him then that must mean he was aggressive to the point of assault at minimum)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Point is personal safety, and if everyone on the floor has their doors locked then it’s fine he’s probably just wander back into his own apartment eventually

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Anonymous OP 1w

I sleep soundly knowing my gun is for real intruders and threats who break in, not my old senile confused neighbor

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s just taking the best case scenario and coping, personally I want to be able to be the person to help someone. Because I do genuinely think that I would be able to de-escalate that situation. I don’t mind if my door is unlocked on accident, because as much as I could get an enraged dementia neighbor I might also be the safe house for a woman running away from an attacker.

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Anonymous #1 1w

The point of the gun is not to fucking shoot it unless absolutely necessary you’re being so dense because you think I’m trigger happy lmfao.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And yea, I do think that I might be a bit “too woke” for thinking that not every intruder is looking to start something with me. Someone trying to steal my tv is more likely to be trying to make enough money for some sort of medical procedure than choosing to fight/hurt me. But having a gun ends the conversation (after first contact) on whether or not they have intent to harm- if they see/hear it and run/freeze? No intent to harm. If they attack? Obviously intent to harm.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I don’t think this is the way to go for everyone, but it’s not at all paranoid. I never said “you guys should have your doors unlocked too!!”

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Anonymous OP 1w

Okayy, so this 100% justifies the "looking for a fight" statement said in the previous comment. Which is why it's always better to lock your door so you can give the intruder a chance to turn back on their actions and not risk a deadly situation

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Anonymous #5 1w

you’re bored and saying ignorant shi, reread who said that comment and reread what I said and why I personally find the idea of the intruder “turning back” to be like turning your back on someone in need.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Why are you comparing turning your back to someone in need to an INTRUDER. They don’t NEED anything but jail time 😭

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Anonymous #6 1w

but I’d be turning my back on being able to stop a violent person from harming someone else? Empathy for the unknown? Like I just don’t think “oh he’ll walk away” works when we’re talking about someone intent on harming another to the point of home intrusion.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Like I can understand that to you, the trade off of “helping someone” and “potential to put yourself at risk” doesn’t add up. That’s ok. I am not and have not asked you all to go out of your way to take on risk. What I’m saying is it’s stupid to think I’m approaching this from a place of paranoia and not empathy.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I do however think that in a situation where someone is intent on harming another, I am well equipped to de-escalate or defend. This is because I have done enough work to trust others’ basic humanity, while also understanding that there exists evil in this world and I need to protect myself. My trust ends once they prove they have intent to harm me physically (lack of humanity), and killing is not ever my goal or wish.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Girl get a ring camera and call the cops defending and having empathy for literal intruders is psycho behavior

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Anonymous #6 1w

I am *defending* the potential victim. I am having *empathy* for the fact that not every criminal is intent on harming another human being, because we live in a fucked up world. That empathy part, I will admit, took a LOT of work. But it did absolutely lead me to a better more positive outlook on life, and has helped me build community.

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Anonymous #6 1w

And I do have a ring camera too, but I feel like that does nothing to stop an immediate problem. That’s for porch pirates, although I’ve literally never once had an issue.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I will never have empathy for someone ROBBING ppl. There’s other ways to get what you need

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Anonymous #6 1w

And that’s where our differences truly begin here. Because I can understand that good people do bad things, and there’s a difference between robbing something insured and harming someone physically. Empathy for humanity for me doesn’t stop at whether or not I like someone or personally would take their route.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You deserve to be in jail with them then. Bc who is defending someone that robbed someone else

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Anonymous #6 1w

Again: i am defending the POTENTIAL VICTIM. I am not defending the action of robbery, but I’m not sitting here calling a robber the equivalent of a rapist or murderer. You are intentionally being dense, or need to get your head screwed on straight.

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Anonymous OP 1w

A robber is robbing ppl that potentially causes trauma. They are not a victim of anything if they actively did the crime

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Anonymous #6 1w

are you stupid? Genuinely? Are you thinking I’m calling the robber a “potential victim” ? Or are you unable to understand the concept of “there are other people in the world”? I’ll spell it out: if someone is going up to doors and trying to open them, he will end up finding someone else or go through a window or something else. *That* other person is the potential victim. Got it now?

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Anonymous #6 1w

I very much understand it causes trauma. I’ve already dealt with that trauma. I could handle de-escalating the situation and potentially stopping the robber or scaring them off from doing this activity when they get almost shot from my warning shot. That’s my point, I would rather be the one to handle that situation if it happens that someone else get traumatized. I took my trauma and turned it into something I can use to help others, instead of shutting myself in in paranoid agoraphobia

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Anonymous OP 1w

“Than* someone else”

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