Anonymous #1 17h

Agreed. My fiance is infertile. And the only way we can have a child is by IVF (if he has any sperm) or IUI with donor sperm. There was a post saying “if god wanted you to have a child. He would let you” as an argument for banning Ivf is wild

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Anonymous OP 17h

That’s crazy! If you want to have a family you have a right to do that regardless of if you’re fertile or not. I think it’s a great thing that we are advanced enough as a society that people like you who want kids can have the opportunity to have kids. I would much rather that than someone who doesn’t want kids to have kids

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Anonymous #2 17h

But the woman agrees to it. I don’t see the problem if every party is consensual

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Anonymous #1 16h

i hire a desperate poor man to test medical drugs in my garage for $14 an hour. unnecessary and serves nothing but my personal want. is this ethical? i mean, he consented!

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Anonymous #2 16h

They have precautions in place and do back ground checks. That’s not the same as someone doing unlicensed tests in a garage. You are entitled to your own opinion, I was just stating my own. I’m not going to try and convince you because you can think what you want

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Anonymous #1 16h

background checks and precautions don't eliminate the risks of pregnancy, or the exploitation of renting a woman's body. you can think what you want but the logic and ethics are frail

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Anonymous #3 16h

If you can't support a child you shouldn't have one. But that doesn't make systems that help people have kids bad. It's not their fault their bodies don't do what it is supposed to do

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Anonymous #2 16h

Of course they don’t eliminate risks. Risks are extremely hard to eliminate completely. Especially in America where we don’t have enough support for pregnant women anyway

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Anonymous #1 16h

I think if you’re infertile we should fix the infertility, not come up with an artificial way to make children. It’s pretty fucked up

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Anonymous #3 16h

How the hell can you fix the infertility. My fiancé has a condition where he literally cannot get me pregnant. They cannot find an exact cause. But he produces sperm, they’re just not getting to his semen and out into me. There’s no fix Minus IVF

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Anonymous #1 15h

okay, so you agree that surrogacy offloads health risks from rich women onto poor women!

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Anonymous #3 15h

aw gee, why didn't the developers of ivf think of that? what dumbasses!

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Anonymous #2 15h

Every pregnancy comes with risks. Doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor. Surrogacy helps those who literally cannot carry a child, have a biological child or their own. My best friend has to do surrogacy because if she gets pregnant, her uterus could literally explode. But someone is willing to take those risks, and carry a child for 9 months to give parents a child. Pregnancy comes with lots of risks. But surrogates are willing to take those risks. My body, my choice. ->

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Anonymous #2 15h

That isn’t what I said at all lol. I was talking about how the American healthcare system sucks. Mainly I’m thinking about how some LGBTQ people use surrogacy because they can’t have kids the heterosexual way

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Anonymous #2 15h

If someone is willing to be the one to carry a child, why try and ban their choice. That’s going against everything. It’s their choice to make. So why try and justify your own opinion by trying to ban it.

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Anonymous OP 15h

would they be willing to take those risks without financial need? poor woman's body, rich woman's choice!

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Anonymous #1 15h

Okay so you’re homophobic.

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Anonymous #2 15h

I know a lady who has been a surrogate 3 times. And she refuses to be paid. She wants to help those people. So yes.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Me? I’m not homophobic. I’m saying surrogacy helps people of that group have kids

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Anonymous #1 15h

"yes, pregnancy is risky, and yes, the healthcare system sucks. but who cares if rich people who don't feel like undergoing those risks just dump them on a poor person instead?"

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Anonymous #3 15h

bro you can’t FIX infertility, the way you “fix” that situation is literally what IVF was created for

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Anonymous OP 15h

i'm actually much less opposed to that. the anti-commercial surrogacy point still stands

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Anonymous #1 15h

LGBTQ people use it so you want to ban it for everybody? What about the women who have always wanted to be a mother but have endometriosis or are infertile. What about the men who dream of having a kid but have low sperm count? What an awful, selfish take

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Anonymous #4 15h

I’M SAYING IT’S A GOOD THING. I’M GAY

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Anonymous #4 15h

Reading comprehension. I’m in support of surrogacy. I know people that have used it and I’M GAY so I was thinking about how it helps my community have kids if they can’t. I am against banning it and have been this entire conversation

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Anonymous #1 15h

oh damn - you right i’m dumb as hell, my fault

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Anonymous #4 15h

It happens lol. I was just confused why you thought I was against it. Sorry if my wording was confusing

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