Anonymous #1 4w

Smoking and drinking in excess effects way more people externally from the person indulging than porn. Like drunk driving can’t just be brushed aside if you’re going to take the approach of externally harming others lmao

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Anonymous prettywoman 4w

You think emphysema, lung cancer, brain damage, killing others from negligence is equivalent to the average person who periodically watches porn?

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Anonymous OP 4w

that's a logical fallacy. you're trying to compare outcomes of an action to a person. you need to be comparing outcomes to outcomes. yes, they're equally bad in their respective ways.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yea but that would also entail drinking in excess and being irresponsible/ reckless which isn’t implied in just drinking itself which can be done in moderation. Like I said I don’t do either because vaping and drinking aren’t good no matter how you put it but with porn it is hard to measure how much is appropriate/ in moderation because the impacts of a porn addiction are more abstract in its affects than other addictions and aren’t as easily recognizable when surfacing

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Anonymous prettywoman 4w

I think you misunderstood my intention then because that’s exactly what I’m drawing as a contrast. The outcome of someone’s life quality with damaged lungs is many times worse than the average porn watcher

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Anonymous #1 4w

Watching porn ≠ addiction whereas everyone who smokes is essentially addicted

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Anonymous OP 4w

porn can alter the brain's reward system (dopamine desensitization), reduce gray matter in reward-related areas (like the striatum), and it weakens connections between the prefrontal cortex (decision-making) and reward centers, like addictive substances. this rewiring of the brain can decrease sensitive to natural pleasures, increase cravings, impair impulse control, cause brain fog, and shift perceptions of sex towards physical instead of relational, impacting cognitive function & relationships

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Anonymous prettywoman 4w

That’s quite literally what smoking does also, with the added health costs idk how you could continue to believe they are equivalent

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Anonymous OP 4w

you said, "that's quite literally what smoking does also", and yet you don't believe they're equivalent? you don't think porn can cost money? there's plenty of paid platforms people purchase on the regular or subscribe to. i didn't even really touch on the snowball effect.

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Anonymous prettywoman 4w

Well what you said isn’t inherent to watching porn it’s primarily descriptive of porn addicts. No I don’t think they are equivalent because smoking has issues like lung cancer and shortened life span which watching porn doesn’t have

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Anonymous OP 4w

i understand your perspective. it's cool to agree to disagree.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I dont know how you can think someone deliberately looking up things and watching people have sex (most of the time containing extremely unrealistic standards and fucked up plots) is somehow less worse than someone who used to hit their friends vape and accidentally got addicted. Vaping doesn’t change my perception of women and relationships. Which are forces outside of myself. Not just my lungs. Porn does

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Anonymous #3 4w

Also most people i know at least who do vape acknowledge the bad behavior it is. The addition it is. Many people who watch porn make excuses for it. Like you are right now

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Anonymous #3 4w

Addiction*

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Anonymous #3 4w

Im speaking about watching porn not addicts but for some reason that’s not being understood.

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Anonymous prettywoman 4w

Ok so what unique part of watching porn is analogous to losing years of your life literally

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Anonymous OP 4w

Did you not read the part where I said people watching porn not porn addicts. Watching it a couple times and not being addicted as you say still affects you lmao. Watching it and not being addicted as you say still causes you to view things differently. Everything you intake affects you. Media. Friendly conversations. World events. Be so for real right now.

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Anonymous #3 4w

That’s the thing you all have brought up addicts im not speaking about addicts. In my first reply to this person I clearly stated a person who isn’t addicted and they reaffirmed they think it’s equally bad to a smoker

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Anonymous OP 4w

My point was that people who even just watch it make excuses for it. Addiction or not. Like, again, you are doing right now. You are trying to minimize it by pointing out people who are addicted to an addictive chemical lmao. If watching porn (again, NOT AN ADDICTION AS YOU SAY!!!) isn’t so bad, then why are you deliberately and directly comparing it to a literal addiction to a chemical trying to minimize it.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bro you’re trolling right. I’m not talking about porn addicts when I speak about addicts I’m talking about nicotine addicts. I’m saying people who even WATCH porn are still affected. Addiction or not

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Anonymous #3 4w

And again no one is denying the problems of porn addicts, I’ve asked even in such a case what is an analogous side effect unique to porn that is equivalent to having cancer or dying 10 years early. I’m yet to hear an answer to that

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s internal. I’d want someone who would let their view of women and relationships be tainted by such a thing. I have hope for people who are addicted to nicotine to grow out of it. People who watch porn and see no wrong with it? Nah. I can convince a person very easily how bad nicotine is and how it can literally kill you. It’s not that watching porn can kill you, but it can severely damage your idea of relationships and women and so many other things that are detrimental to some-

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Anonymous #3 4w

-people’s lived experiences. It may not kill you. But it will set you up for failure with women if that’s the goal of yours.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Who wouldnt* my bad

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m going to be real I’m not really sure what angle you’re coming at this from since you replied to a message in a convo you weren’t a part of. I’m open to talking to anyone but if I’m going to continue id like to know clearly then what exactly is your contention with the post

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Anonymous OP 4w

So I guess if you don’t care about that aspect of your life, like some don’t care about their lungs, then by all means go ahead and keep making excuses for it

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bro read I’ve stated my point like 15 times hello

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Anonymous #3 4w

Why is your analysis about porn focused on it negatively effecting women as if women do not watch porn lol. Many studies show women are more likely to seek out aggressive porn than male watchers. So I wonder why that seems irrelevant in your analysis

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m asking for clarification since I’d rather not assume. Is it that you think they are equivalent or do you think one is worse? That hasn’t be clearly stated

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Anonymous OP 4w

…because we’re not talking about women watching porn lol. I can go into that if you’d like as well. But that’s not what we were talking about so I didn’t bring that up 😀

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Anonymous #3 4w

I don’t watch porn and I’ve never drank or smoked so I’m not sure why you mention “my life” as if you know anything about me other than the words on the screen

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Anonymous #3 4w

We aren’t talking about men watching porn either. The post doesn’t use the word men in it

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Anonymous OP 4w

I dont know buddy you’re defending it with your life my bad for assuming but the shoe was fitting 😭 your post sounded a little personal

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Anonymous OP 4w

I think porn is so much worse lmao

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Anonymous OP 4w

I assumed you were a man asking women about porn and making excuses which is a very common occurrence unfortunately. When women ask questions they just post it in girl talk usually

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Anonymous #3 4w

So your belief is that the effect watching of watching porn on men and women in relation to their opposite sex is way worse than dying early and getting cancer

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Anonymous OP 4w

Not necessarily. Because again I have hope for people who do vape to quit. People who watch porn usually don’t see anything wrong with it and never stop

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Anonymous #3 4w

Quiting smoking just stops the speed of the decline. Quiting smoking doesn’t repair the damage of the lungs and they still retain heightened risk of all the diseases and will die earlier lol. Not sure if you knew that so the idea of them stopping isn’t relevant to the question

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Anonymous OP 4w

Quitting absolutely does increase the function of your lungs. You gain better function and your cilia grow back. Will you be 100% A-Okay? No no addict ever is. But let’s not act like quitting mars zero difference to your lung health

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Anonymous #3 4w

Makes*

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Anonymous OP 4w

Either way that’s my answer so nit pick it all you want but there ya go

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Anonymous #3 4w

I never said they didn’t have other improved outcomes but the same could be said about quitting porn (the damage doesn’t continue and they can work back to the default). Your belief basically boils down to well they are remorseful so it’s better, which is just an appeal to morality rather than looking at the actual state of the issues themselves.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Well yeah intent is very important. Intent is everything

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Anonymous OP 4w

I don’t fw people who make excuses for things they refuse to acknowledge is an issue that’s really it

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