Anonymous #1 6w

You see how you didn’t extend empathy but want them to have it?

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Anonymous #1 6w

Exactly

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Anonymous #4 6w

Incel culture comes from incels. Incel culture is not the defining feature of the term

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Anonymous OP 6w

Which is still very much a self inflicted thing. You choose to listen to redpill, anti women rhetoric to make yourself feel better about your lack of a sex life. Normal ppl do not resort to that

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Anonymous #4 6w

Incel CULTURE is red pill anti women rhetoric. They are not defining features of the term.

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What does that have to do with it’s still a part of being an incel and that the culture and term itself are both self inflicted causes caused by other miserable men

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Anonymous #5 6w

Depends on the virgin

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Anonymous #4 6w

If nobody wants to fuck you, you can’t change that

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Anonymous OP 6w

So you become an incel bc ppl don’t want to fuck you? So in other words, self inflicted. You CHOOSE that lifestyle over someone not wanting to get your dick wet. Sounds like you have your priorities messed up

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Anonymous #4 6w

Im not an incel. But if nobody wants to fuck you but you still wanna have sex, that makes you by definition an incel… that’s the only thing that defines the term

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Anonymous #4 6w

Why would I want to be in the shoes of a person like that? Plenty of ppl don’t hate women bc they can’t get fucked? Sounds controlling and immature if you ask me

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Anonymous #4 6w

It seems like you have trouble understanding what the term actually is versus what you think the term is

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Anonymous OP 6w

That’s not what the definition means. Plenty of single ppl don’t have sex and don’t resent ppl for that. Bc it’s childish to do so

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Anonymous OP 6w

I know what it means. You don’t apparently

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Anonymous #4 6w

The only thing that defines, the term is the fact that they cannot get laid despite wanting to. They don’t automatically hate women because of it they can however that is not a defining feature of it. I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that.

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Anonymous OP 6w

And yet plenty of ppl would love to have sex, that’s just human nature. Intimacy. The difference is they aren’t actively hating ppl bc they haven’t had sex. Bc they’re normal ppl

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Anonymous #4 6w

Many single people choose not to have sex. However, there are also many who want to have sex but can't find a willing partner. The latter group, by definition, are incels….that's all the term means, no more and no less.

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Anonymous #4 6w

You don’t understand the

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Anonymous #4 6w

You’re not reading what I’m telling you

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Anonymous OP 6w

That just means they aren’t having sex like everyone else. They are not by definition an incel unless they have those red pill hating ideologies over the preferred sex

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Anonymous #4 6w

Incel culture is not a defining feature of what it actually means to be an incel.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I am you’re just overtly stupid

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Anonymous OP 6w

Incel culture has nothing to do with the term itself. Just bc you’re not having sex yet you want to. Doesn’t mean you’re an incel. Bc that means every single person on the planet is an incel and that’s not statistically true. So again. Incels are self inflicted hatred ppl. Regular ppl are perfectly fine without sex despite not having it bc they’re not acting entitled to the action

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Anonymous #4 6w

If you want to get laid, but you can’t get laid despite wanting to get laid, that makes you an incel. That is the only defining feature of the term ….there are things that come after the term like the culture of people developed based on that term. But the culture does not defined the term.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I would want to get laid but I’m not getting laid but I’m not an incel

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Anonymous #4 6w

I need you to repeat to me what I said to you because it seems like you’re just glossing over what I’m saying to you so you can say your own shit

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Anonymous #4 6w

You don’t know what an incel is

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Anonymous OP 6w

I do. You by definition don’t bc you think anyone not having sex whenever they want to is an incel and that’s just not how the spins. Hope this helps

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Anonymous OP 6w

No. It doesn’t.

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Anonymous #4 6w

Being an incel is a passive state (your romantic situation). Participating in incel culture is an active choice (engaging with the community and adopting its beliefs). The ideology is required for the culture, but not for the individual….

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Anonymous OP 6w

I am not going to respect someone that does not respect me, no

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Anonymous #6 6w

Are you comparing someone who struggles to get laid with being a Nazi?

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Anonymous OP 6w

no i’m comparing being an incel to being a nazi. thought that was pretty clear

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Anonymous #6 6w

You used an analogy that uses Nazis in an analogy that substitutes incels for Nazis

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Anonymous OP 6w

yes? and my point still stands idk wtf ur talking about😭

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Anonymous #6 6w

So you’re comparing incels to Nazis …that’s what you’re literally doing

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Anonymous #6 6w

Incels are people who can’t get laid, but want to

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Anonymous #4 6w

I mean technically he is right, some virgins are incels but not all

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Anonymous #7 6w

What does this have to do with struggling to get laid?

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Anonymous OP 6w

I’m confused by your response. The prompt says what could women learn by being in an incel’s shoes and my answer is nothing: they already understand what it’s like (on the whole)

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Anonymous #7 6w

None of what you talked is relevant towhat an incel experiences. Undesirability… can you empathize with what that feels like?

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Anonymous OP 6w

It is relevant, but first let’s acknowledge that women feel undesired no less often than men do. The main difference is that women usually feel undesired relating to their personhood, in other words “who” they are rather than “what” they are. Men are more likely to reject women for long term romances, while women are more likely to reject men who only want hookups, which is to say men are being rejected for more surface level attributes (like appearance)

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Anonymous #7 6w

And if i said men are being rejected for both?

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Anonymous #7 6w

…while women often find themselves in situations with men who are willing to sleep with them or maintain casual relationships, but don’t desire any more serious commitment (which is more of a rejection of the whole). But all of this is a sidebar to what I was talking about.

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Anonymous OP 6w

They are. So are women.

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Anonymous #7 6w

Not as often

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Anonymous OP 6w

Well that goes to my point about women being more likely to be rejected for the long term relationships/romances they want while men are more likely to be rejected for short term encounters

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Anonymous #7 6w

Men are more likely to be rejected for both

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Anonymous OP 6w

The research says otherwise. Women who are actively dating are significantly more likely than men to be exclusively seeking a committed relationship (41% vs. 25%), while men are more likely to be open to casual dating. So I’m not sure what evidence you’re basing the claim that men are more likely to be rejected for long-term relationships on, the data point in the opposite direction in terms of what men and women are actually seeking

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Anonymous OP 6w

I can see why you’d believe this if you narrowly define rejection as overt ‘nos’ rather than ghosting someone or using them for sex and then dropping them, etc

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Anonymous #7 6w

You can’t use statistics on who is more open to what to say who gets rejected more for what?

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Anonymous OP 6w

They don’t exist

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Anonymous #7 6w

Open to being corrected here, but I’ve done my digging and I’m sure if you had anything you would’ve provided it

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Anonymous #7 6w

Ok cupid and match.com data…. Speed dating data

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Anonymous OP 6w

yes this is literally what i said💀

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Anonymous #6 6w

Incels are only ppl who can’t get laid. Thats its

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Anonymous OP 6w

Wrong

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Anonymous #5 6w

Not wrong

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Anonymous OP 6w

It is cause you can always get laid

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Anonymous #5 6w

That’s not true

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Anonymous OP 6w

More so than not

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Anonymous #5 6w

No, it’s not

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Anonymous OP 6w

bruh why yall so dumb just look stuff up. literally says has evolved into a movement associated w being douchebags to women. if u wanna get laid don’t be a dickhead😭 i struggle to believe you guys actually even want to

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Anonymous #6 6w

Not being a dickhead, doesn’t get you laid…. Neither does being a dickhead stop saying shit like that because you sound like an idiot. It brings up the subculture of the term because that’s the most popular usage of the term, but the actual term is broad. And can but not always encompass that particular aspect of people who use the term.

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Anonymous OP 6w

yes i’m totally the one who sounds like an idiot and arguing with google about the definitions of words. if u wanna get laid go get laid it’s not that hard ur prob just lame

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Anonymous #6 6w

Even the Google search you just pulled up said what I said. The evolution of the term isn’t a change in its meaning, it’s a change in how some of the people who identify with it are behaving, not what the term actually means

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Anonymous OP 6w

there’s no way ur actually this stupid read what you just said 😭😭 so you agree that’s how incels act then. it says the term “has evolved from”… “to” so i would generally use the term in the way it has evolved

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Anonymous OP 6w

this is like if i asked how you would feel in the shoes of a gay man but i actually meant a “happy” man since the word was once used that way. if you wanna use the word virgin then use it to be more clear. idk why ur dying on this hill

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Anonymous #6 6w

No, that’s not right. Your definition isn’t divorced from what incel actually means. The definition I’m using is the main one, and yours is just a subcategory of it, proven by the very Google search you used. That’s nothing like gay meaning happy versus gay meaning homosexual, those are two genuinely separate unrelated definitions. That may have came from the same origin.

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Anonymous #6 6w

The term was always broad. What’s evolved is only a subcategory of people using it, not the term itself. It’s always meant what it’s meant, even now. The people using it today still mean that same core thing, they just do other stuff underneath the umbrella of that name.

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Anonymous #6 6w

Are you asking if I think a lot of incels are misogynistic? If so, yes. But that’s not all of them. A lot of them don’t even claim the broad term because of that subcategory, but it still applies to plenty of people whether they want to use it or not. Plenty of people don’t like calling themselves victims, that doesn’t mean the term can’t still apply to them

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Anonymous OP 6w

Just give it up dude, a majority of people don’t consider an incel what you consider it to be

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Anonymous #5 6w

How do you have a judgment on a term that applies to people that you’re not even speaking to?

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Anonymous OP 6w

who cares about the origins it’s different meanings. you know that incel generally refers to misogynistic weirdos who can’t get laid because they’re too busy insulting women and watching asmongold than building relationships with women irl. ur just tryna be annoying and argue about vocab. my original point still stands

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Anonymous #6 6w

Your original point doesn't stand, because this isn't just about origins, it's about current meaning. The current meaning is the broad definition I gave you. You're hyperspecifying the definition because there's a large group of people who identify with that term that you don't like, and you're treating that as if it's the entire term."

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Anonymous #6 6w

Not everyone is just not getting laid bc they insult women and watch awful ppl. The fact that you think that means you have no idea what youre talking about

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Anonymous OP 6w

you keep going on about the literal definition but words mean something based on how they’re actually used. if you truly expected to post this question and have everyone think you’re just talking about people who want to have sex but can’t then you’re rly stupid! and i don’t even know what you would expect me to learn from being your version of an incel anyways

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Anonymous OP 6w

well you can’t read because i didn’t say that. i said that’s why incels (as per my definition) can’t get laid. sure there are normal guys who have had bad luck or bad circumstances but that’s not what i was talking about (clearly)

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Anonymous #6 6w

Words mean things and it’s broad usage is the main usage … terfs are still feminists In the same way asmond gold supporters are incels. Second It’s not my version of incel. And I don’t know ig I would expect you to learn some type of compassion for people who feel undesirable.

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Anonymous #6 6w

OK, so the broad conversation is about people who have bad luck not people who have bad luck and act negatively off of their bad luck

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Anonymous OP 6w

I haven’t gotten laid yet, am I an incel

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Anonymous #5 6w

Do you want to get laid?

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Anonymous OP 6w

a broader meaning doesn’t inherently make that the more commonly understood or used meaning. and that’s hilarious you basically made this whole post to tell women they’re uncompassionate? i feel undesirable every damn day of my life and even if i didn’t i wouldn’t need to experience it to experience compassion for people who feel that way 💀

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Anonymous #6 6w

The main usage IS people who can't get laid. That's it. The red pill types you're pointing to still fall under that same umbrella, they're just that group with an ideology attached. "Can't get laid" and "can't get laid plus red pill" aren't separate categories, one's a subset of the other. That's the term's most common usage. You're mistaking the culture of one subgroup for the whole definition, same way TERFs relate to feminism as a whole.

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Anonymous #6 6w

You are uncompassionate specifically. And the purpose of the post is talk about empathy for those that are actually struggling with undesirability. That’s all the purpose is, but you’ve turned it into an argument about definition so you can specifically talk about people who are going out of their way to shit on women for their problems. Instead of just acknowledging that their problem is just something that exist.

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Anonymous OP 6w

yes i’m in the one who turned it into an argument about definitions 💀 you made this post knowing you would be misunderstood so that you could argue with women. and yes i am uncompassionate towards people who are dickheads to women online for 0 reason 😆

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Anonymous OP 6w

nobody is generally using the word feminist to refer to terfs. people very commonly use the word incel to refer to the type of men i’m talking about. you know this and didn’t specify what you meant because u wanna be annoying

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Anonymous #6 6w

Yes, you’re the one who turned this into an argument about definitions, since you won’t even agree on what the term means. No, I didn’t make this post to argue with women knowing I’d be misunderstood. You’re just misunderstanding me and refusing to own that. And there it is…you’re showing you’re uncompassionate, because you think undesirable people are only people who are bad people.

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Anonymous #6 6w

Terfs are feminists by definition(here we go arguing definitions again, even though feminist is in the fucking acronym). And they commonly refer to themselves as feminists. INCEL IS BROAD TERM . You’re just used to only referring to a specific type of person as that and you refuse to acknowledge your own shortcomings.

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Anonymous #6 6w

And you know what I meant the whole time cause I kept fucking telling you

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Anonymous OP 6w

so i actually specifically explained that i am aware that not everyone who feels undesirable or can’t have sex is a bad person. also said that i feel undesirable sometimes. you just can’t read. and i can just say the same thing about you who won’t agree on what the term means either.

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Anonymous #6 6w

You keep arguing with the term itself, which means you’re overriding everyone who actually uses it in favor of whatever narrow group you want to talk about. I use the term the way it’s supposed to be used. If you’re unfamiliar with that usage, that’s on you, not me. Getting upset because you can’t grasp a basic definition, then deciding the definition I’m using must be wrong, isn’t an argument

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Anonymous #6 6w

I can read. You keep bringing up bad ppl when we’re talking about people who can’t get laid broadly. Which is what the term refers to. I’ve told you that multiple times and you keep ignoring it to fall back on a definition you already know is wrong, since you googled it in the first place.

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Anonymous OP 6w

so i actually didn’t ignore it!! i literally responded and asked what you thought i would learn to which you said compassion to which i said why would i have to be in someone’s shoes to be compassionate towards them. you are the one who is ignoring what i said to argue about definitions. i acknowledged there are different uses of the word but simply explained that the way i use it is more common. if ur unfamiliar with that because u have no friends thats on you not me 🥰

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Anonymous #6 6w

The answer to your question is that empathy matters, and this is a conversation about empathy. So your answer amounts to admitting you can't be empathetic or won't be. You dodged it. You didn't say "I don't need compassion." You said you don't want compassion for people who have none for you, assuming everyone who can't get laid has no compassion for you. That's false. That's why we kept arguing about definitions. Because you keep attributing Bad personhood to a term that explains an experience.

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Anonymous #6 6w

You are fucking irritating

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Anonymous #6 6w

The term applies to everyone who can’t get laid, full stop. That’s the umbrella term. There’s no second definition hiding behind it. It’s one definition.

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Anonymous OP 6w

sooo actually my answer quite literally is me saying that i am empathetic towards people who feel undesirable if you could read. and yes i said im not compassionate towards people who are dickheads and have repeatedly explained that i am aware that not all people who can’t get laid fit that category. you don’t read what i say and just keep arguing about definitions it’s dumb

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Anonymous OP 6w

at least i can have sex

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Anonymous #6 6w

I can too. Is that like a a badge of honor or something?

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Anonymous OP 6w

well clearly you can’t…

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Anonymous #6 6w

If you’re empathetic the people that are undesirable them you are empathetic to incels. And if you are empathetic to incels then the purpose of this entire discussion has been fulfilled

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Anonymous #6 6w

I’m not gonna prove to you that I can get laid because it’s not the point of the discussion

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Anonymous OP 6w

no ewww i hate incels what are you talking about omg

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Anonymous #6 6w

People who can’t get laid are incels. That’s the definition.

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Anonymous OP 6w

not for most people

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Anonymous OP 6w

OP if you’re not an incel why are you always trying so hard to defend them, and why do they need to be defended? If the general population considers incels and virgins to be different things why can’t the “good” incels just call themselves the more accurate, socially acceptable term? Just curious

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Anonymous #6 6w

That’s literally the definition of the term. What do you think it stands for?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Virgins aren’t the only people who struggle to have sex…. It refers to anybody struggling to have sex or intimate partnerships. I’m trying so hard to define the experience so you stop saying dumb shit like this.. I should not have to prove that I’m not an incel just because I’m asking you they have empathy for people who are undesirable

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Anonymous OP 6w

it stands for involuntarily celibate?? how do u not know this ur the one going on and on about it

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Anonymous #2 6w

What is the accurate socially acceptable term for people who can’t get laid?

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Anonymous #6 6w

Exactly dumbass …what does involuntarily celibate mean?

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Anonymous #6 6w

It means you cant get laid!!!!!

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Anonymous OP 6w

someone who wants to have sex but can’t. do you think that nazis are socialists?

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Anonymous #6 6w

That’s exactly what it means. And no, I do not think that. I do, however know thats terfs are still feminists even if everybody who identifies as a feminist disagrees with them. So are Marxist feminist, radical feminists, liberal feminists, intersectional feminist…

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Anonymous OP 6w

ok but nazi literally means national socialist soo if you’re using the word nazi to refer to facism then you’re wrong

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Anonymous OP 6w

Your wife not wanting you to commit marital rape doesn’t make you an incel it just means you’re sexually incompatible If you just haven’t had sex yet then you’re just a virgin and that’s ok You don’t need a label for “my partner doesn’t have sex with me anymore and that makes me feel like a victim”

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Anonymous OP 6w

Virgin. The term is virgin

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Anonymous OP 6w

“i think terfs are feminists even if everybody who identifies as a feminist disagrees with them” yupppp im the idiot

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Anonymous #6 6w

The system that Nazis developed wasn’t functionally socialist even though they caught themselves that. Terfs are functionally feminists and they do call themselves that… that’s the difference and so the same way that I’m using terfs apply to incels

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Anonymous #2 6w

Not all people who can’t get laid are virgins. And not all virgins want to get laid.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Again, you’re not an incel just because your girlfriend doesn’t feel like having sex anymore or your wife doesn’t want you to rape her whenever you’re horny. You don’t need a special label to make yourself feel validated as a victim and you don’t need any empathy from us, it’s such a non issue

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Anonymous #2 6w

Notice how you jump straight to rape instead of considering someone who’s genuinely struggling to find romantic attention. This isn’t just about virgins. It’s about people who struggle to have sex in general. You’re treating it as if it only applies to virgins, and for anyone it doesn’t apply to, you just assume the worst about them. and again not all virgins want to have sex

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Anonymous OP 6w

If you’re a virgin who wants to have sex: you’re a virgin If you’re not a virgin but your partner is having less sex with you than you’d hope for: you’re just sexually incompatible Continue calling yourself an incel if you want, but you have to be aware that MOST people define incels as misogynists who feel entitled to sex.

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Anonymous #6 6w

What’s the function of feminism broadly? TERFs fit that definition perfectly. Some people aren’t as progressive as others but still consider themselves feminist, and by the actual definition of what feminism is, they’d qualify as feminist, because the definition is expansive since it’s broad. And you know that. Susan b Anthony would disagree strongly with this generation of family. Is she not a feminist?

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Anonymous OP 6w

already responded to this

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Anonymous #2 6w

Stop talking about rape. This is about people trying to find the consensual relationship relationships with other people and they can’t.. there’s a term for those people. You keep bringing up rape because you think that it’s a strong point and it’s not because this is only ever about consensual relationships so stop doing that.

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Anonymous OP 6w

who cares like i said no one is using the word “feminist” and meaning specifically terfs. if you want me to know ur talking about terfs you’d have to specify that. on the other hand the word incel even if it technically originally meant just ppl who can’t have sex IS commonly used to refer to men like you who hate women

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Anonymous #2 6w

Stop going to Aldi drastic ass places just read the logic and stop going other places. Read it read it.. Jesus Christ you think I’m saying some shit that I’m not fucking telling you and then you keep pulling bullshit out of your fucking ass stop doing that shit it’s annoying

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Anonymous OP 6w

we don’t have Aldi where i live :(

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Anonymous #2 6w

Not all people who want to have sex can have sex. Not all virgins who want to have sex can have sex… there’s a term for both people

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Anonymous #2 6w

Being sexually incompatible with a lot of people to the point where you actively cannot experience the thing that you want to has a term

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Anonymous #6 6w

You didn’t

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Anonymous OP 6w

Pretty much everyone can get laid

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Anonymous #5 6w

Wrong

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Anonymous #6 6w

Youre annoying

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Anonymous OP 6w

Again, struggling to find someone you’re sexually compatible with just means you’re single, and that’s ok!

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Anonymous #6 6w

Did I say that people are using the word feminist and meaning specifically TERFs.. is that what you actually think I’m saying

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Anonymous #2 6w

There's a difference between being single because you want to be single, and being single while not wanting to be single. There's also a difference between being single and not wanting to be single because people aren't good enough for you, versus being single and not wanting to be single because nobody wants you. Incel refers to the people who are single, don't want to be, and nobody wants.

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Anonymous OP 6w

And they’re both just single. And that’s ok.

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Anonymous #2 6w

You see how you’re being dense

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Anonymous OP 6w

It’s ok to be single OP. You’ll find someone who wants to have sex with you eventually, just keep trying!

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Anonymous #2 6w

It’s not about me. Now you’re just being dense.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Best of luck OP xoxo

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Anonymous #2 6w

Get pink eye

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Anonymous OP 6w

well considering my entire point is that people commonly use the word incel to refer to those men. and your comparison is terfs and feminists then yes

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Anonymous #6 6w

No, I said that when you use the word …The word means involuntarily celibate….. can you guess what involuntarily celibate means?… I’ll give you a hint: it doesn’t mean you hate women

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Anonymous OP 6w

umm yes? you were literally just talking about terfs and feminists. and sure you can be involuntarily celibate and not hate women. however the term incel is commonly used to describe people who do hate women. as i have explained countless times.

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Anonymous #6 6w

You involuntarily celibate does not automatically mean you hate women

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Anonymous OP 6w

did i say it did? did you even read what i am saying im convinced you have something wrong with your brain

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Anonymous #6 6w

Subgroups do not define terms they’re defined by the term

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Anonymous OP 6w

okay, so as i said a million times. the men who hate women may be a subgroup of all men who are involuntarily celibate. however, the term incel is most commonly used to refer to that subgroup than it is used to talk about all involuntarily celibate people.

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Anonymous #6 6w

Ugh nvm

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Anonymous OP 6w

L

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Anonymous #6 6w

No, we’re just going in circles

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Anonymous OP 6w

Like I said, men face more surface level rejections. Women are much less frequently rejected based on surface level aspects because most men are still interested in short-term encounters with women that they wouldn’t be interested in dating long term.

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