Anonymous #1 1w

So then reform it if you want to ban abortion?😭

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Anonymous #2 1w

Did I ever say anything about banning abortion? No In cases of rape, and incest I think abortions should be an option available.

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Anonymous #2 1w

And trying to get politicians do reform something that fattens their paycheck is like trying to force a horse to drink water

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Anonymous #1 1w

You just contradicted yourself, having abortion banned in all scenarios except rape and incest IS an abortion ban. One with exceptions, but a ban nonetheless…

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Anonymous #2 1w

And my point still stands if you believe the foster system is shit why tf would you advocate for an abortion ban? Even if it have exceptions

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Anonymous #2 1w

The correct term is abortion restrictions. A ban is saying everything about it is illegal.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Also it’s has…not have🤦🏼‍♀️

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Anonymous #1 1w

Babes first of all: what you described would be considered an abortion BAN with exceptions. Abortions restrictions are like gestational limits or waiting periods🥴 abortion restrictions do not make abortion illegal for the vast majority.. they are still obtainable in a certain timeframe

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Anonymous #1 1w

How are you gonna correct my grammar just to go on a semantic argument of ban vs restrict 💀💀

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Anonymous #1 1w

if you believe in abortions for rape then you should believe in unrestricted abortions since it’s well-documented and well-known that many cases of rape can’t be proven.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Catholics are also told not to participate in sacrilegious activities and not harm the innocent, yet those priests still assaulted altar boys and girls and the church still covered it up. So I really am not a holding candle for one catholic doing a good deed.

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Anonymous #5 1w

We as a church acknowledge the atrocities that have been committed, there is evil in the world, but there is also good

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Anonymous #4 1w

But why should I believe in the good when they were the evil in disguise.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Because it’s the exception not the rule

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Anonymous #1 1w

I actually do realize this I am literally also a former foster kid but the point of the post is about anti choice ppl doing nothing to support children

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Anonymous #4 1w

people who do either (actively help or harm) are both the exception. the large majority of pro-lifers aren’t. a minority doing good deeds does not absolve the majority of their apathy to the situation they created.

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Anonymous #3 1w

That’s true, but it’s harmful to say that there’s no one, and if I can convince one person to save the life of their baby, that’s a win for me(I want to also note that I believe in medically necessary abortions, and in cases of rape and incest)

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Anonymous #3 1w

No<3

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Anonymous #8 6d

now thats a strawman

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Anonymous #5 6d

If u are going to use those few evil priests as an example of why the church is evil, then maybe consider that a far higher percentage of teachers rape their students. Do you consider schools evil?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Honest question if you can call out how that’s a straw man, do u also think that your argument isnt in bad faith?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Would rather have been aborted than be sent to foster care? Also I’m sorry if you’ve only run into pro life people who are against foster care but I can guarantee u that they are an extreme minority

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Anonymous #10 6d

No literally me and my siblings are adopted and my parents are pro life

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Anonymous #12 6d

Teachers aren’t taking the code of covenant to bear no harm to the innocent and meek. To actively do against what you preach is the epitome of hypocrisy; cause it’s rules for thee not for me. But also yes I consider plenty of schools evil, homeschooling with no accountability is one, private schools who get public funding is another.

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Anonymous #5 6d

What about doctors who assault their patients

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Anonymous #4 6d

Doctors don’t preach religion and the greater good of a god or book and if they did they wouldn’t be my doctor, but the Hippocratic oath is about preserving life when possible nothing to do with religion. Doctors who take advantage of patients were terrible people to begin with but they aren’t hiding behind religion like priests, pastors and many others of a covenant claiming to walk in the steps of their lord but is no better than the man behind them.

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Anonymous #9 6d

Tell me u don’t know any pro life people without telling me u don’t know any pro life people

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Anonymous #5 6d

Wait are you against parents raising/teaching their own kids? Just because public schools exist doesn’t mean it’s evil to teach them yourself, and you shouldn’t be accountable to a government for it, that’s crazy

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Anonymous #5 6d

Also sounds like you just hate religion more than anything else. Catholic priests never claim to be better than anyone they are human just like the rest of us. And just because the vast majority are great holy people doesn’t mean there arent evil ones, and the presence of those evil ones doesnt nullify the existence of the holy ones

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Anonymous #14 6d

Ok

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Anonymous #12 6d

they’re wasn’t a “few” bad priests. what some many of you fail to do is take proper accountability. this has been a huge problem in the church for decades probably more considering how the church likes to cover these up

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Anonymous #12 6d

this is the reality of many “pro life people” they aren’t actually pro life when they don’t care abt the actual lives that are being lived right now* it’s abt controlling women

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Anonymous #14 6d

what does that have to do with most prolifers not nactualy caring abt the lives of children and instead really just wanting to control women

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Anonymous #12 6d

no said that “pro life” people were against foster care. and with the state of the foster care system, some people being in there until the are adults, living in fear of being assaulted, food insecurity, living somewhere unsafe, etc the list truly goes on. the point is people who claim to be pro life don’t even actually care about the living life here today, just abt controlling women

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Anonymous #12 6d

What have pro-life people done to feed starving children, make healthcare more affordable instead of people going into debt just to afford healthcare? Oh I know, nothing! Since they only care when kids are born, and then that’s it.

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Anonymous #16 6d

The post is acting like the determining factor of whether or not people care is whether they’re willing to foster children. Which is inaccurate

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Anonymous #12 6d

Yes actually because it leads to anti-vaccinations rhetoric, raw milk drinking morons, maladaptive children to society when they don’t interact with someone other than their own family also the woman who let her five kids suffer in hospital for six months with measles because low behold she didn’t vaccinate them when shocker her and husband were. Homeschooling works when educated parents do it not a conspiracy theorist.

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Anonymous #5 6d

Oh

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Anonymous #12 6d

I hate those in religion who use it as a cloak to hide their true selves, or excuse their actions. Yes priests, cardinals and the fucking pope do think they are better than the average follower Catholicism. They always say they were called upon to do the work, how can you claim to do the work of god and be a representative of him when you are no better than the human behind you. Organized religion at some point is a farce, a lie and takes advantage of people who want to believe (mega churches)

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Anonymous #18 6d

yeah its horrible

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Anonymous OP 6d

Really

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Anonymous #12 6d

as someone who was in foster care yes i would rather have been aborted

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Anonymous #4 6d

then you don’t believe in abortions for rape dumbass 💀

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Anonymous #5 6d

thats why im not catholic. all men are equal

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Anonymous #3 6d

Hey so you can’t tell me what I believe

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Anonymous #5 6d

Ill first try to agree with u a bit and say that its important for children to have social interaction. However if parents do homeschooling right, they do, they getting them involved in sports, co ops, and plenty of other activities that children in normal school wouldn’t be able to do due to being stuck in class.

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Anonymous #5 6d

Also idk about the percentages for home school about the raw milk and vaccine stuff but I’m sure neither of us know for for sure. Personally I don’t agree but also it’s not like anyone else is any better. With so many people smoking and eating deli meat and drinking, raw milk is just another thing people do with risks, maybe less so.

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Anonymous #5 6d

And as for vaccines I don’t agree with just dismissing them like maybe the people you came across in the internet do, but it’s also not wrong to be cautious about things like that. Vaccines are not devoid of potential side effects like any drug and nobody should be forced to take anything they don’t want.

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Anonymous #5 6d

Also u obviously haven’t met many priests or others if you think that. They don’t. And in Catholicism everyone is called to do something in God’s plan, it’s not a conceit to stay they were called to be a priest any more than another’s vocation is to be say a parent. And also they again do not claim to be anything other than another perfectly normal flawed human. However I will agree with u that mega churches are scam, but Catholicism is very different.

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Anonymous #4 6d

hey so your beliefs are founded on incorrect information. if you’re genuine about this then I beg you to do basic research about something you purport to be passionate about.

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Anonymous #14 6d

it’s also pointing out how little pro-lifers gaf about the foster care system. if you’ve want to take it that way then you can even if you’re wrong ig

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Anonymous #19 6d

Also one of the most fundamental values of Catholicism is that all humans are made equal in the image and likeness of God. Your position in the church doesn’t matter in this respect in the slightest.

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Anonymous #3 6d

My views are slightly different than both of yours. Since I believe that a fetus needs to be classified as a human with all the rights associated with one,I don’t believe abortions should be performed under any circumstance other than a last resort medical procedure to save the mother. It’s can be a difficult position to discuss because I think some people would find it offensive, but since I do believe that’s fully a baby it shouldn’t die for others’ crimes or conveniences.

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Anonymous #16 6d

I’ll discuss in good faith and admit that yes there are some like that. But I’m my experience there are so many more that do truly value life. They donate their time and money to help support single mothers or mothers in need, and even open their own homes to foster children.

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Anonymous #16 6d

Most of the pro life people I know are women, especially the outspoken ones

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Anonymous #9 6d

The internal monologue doesn’t make u sound smarter. Also don’t confuse pro life people who republicans in general. Just because republicans are against abortion doesn’t mean they fully align with the pro life viewpoint.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Hence why I said educated parents can home school but they still need a form of accountability what we don’t need are conspiracy theorists, science deniers and definitely not someone who thinks since I popped them out I can teach them as well. We might know the exact number or percentage but those home school are more likely to not vaccinate as well.

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Anonymous #12 6d

There is a difference between implied risks and unnecessary risks. There is an implied risk that improperly prepared food like chicken deli meat, seafood, cow, etc. or cross contamination can lead to food poisoning but purposefully indulging in raw milk is an unnecessary risk when a fermentation process of pasteurization exists.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Catholicism does call to all all to help be a part of gods plan but those who follow priesthood and nun path-ship ascertain that their calling was higher and was more than that of a standard follower.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Your views are yours and mine belong to me. Saying you need a fetus to be classified as a human is about the most insane thing to put into a sentence. We cannot cross breed, a human and ape with similar number chromosomes won’t make a sentient fetus it can’t exist; we are not cats not like a tiger and lion to make a liger or a tion, we are not dogs and wolves we don’t make wolfdogs. A humans pregnancy will always be a human fetus and if you need that to be classified you need no involvement.

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Anonymous #4 6d

downvoting and refusing to respond bc you know I’m right 💀 strong opinion w/o looking into literally anything makes you seem like the type of person to get into fights abt Santa being real.

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Anonymous #3 6d

I’m sorry that I’m protecting my peace and attending my classes, my beliefs don’t have to align with what’s going to happen for example in the case of rape. Life begins the moment that sperm enters the egg and removing even a “clump of cells” for no good reason is murder. The church will always have bad people in it, any church will, but it was built on good.

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Anonymous #9 6d

Ok

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Anonymous #4 6d

idk how you expect to be taken seriously when you straight-up just said your beliefs don’t have to align with reality. that’s the definition of delusion. I’m genuinely disgusted that a college student has such little care for educating herself on the hills where she chooses to die.

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Anonymous #12 6d

I’m glad that you’re honest about your opinion, I respect that even though I heavily disagree. I doubt we’ll come to an understanding in a YY comment section but I wish you the best

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cool, dude. still happily blocking you <3

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Anonymous #12 6d

Parents should have a right to decide what to teach their children, I don’t think any government should dictate exactly what is taught. But also homeschoolers follow curriculums too it’s not like the parents just make the textbooks themselves. The concerns you have over vaccines or etc are beliefs the children would be exposed to anyway by virtue of living with them.

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Anonymous #5 6d

Also no I’m not talking about improperly prepared food. Deli meat was recently classified as a class one carcinogen on the same level as arsenic, cigarettes, and asbestos. And again people do stuff that is way worse for you all the time like smoking and drinking alcohol where the comparative risk is far higher. I’m pretty sure even driving a car is more dangerous, although most people need to so I won’t use that as an example of a risky leisure activity like the others.

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Anonymous #5 6d

Also no, the priesthood is not considered a “higher calling” in the sense that is it better for salvation. It is seen “higher” only in the sense that the priesthood is a total dedication and imitation of Christ through celibacy. However that does not many priests any better in value than anybody else, they are still humans with all the flaws and same ability to sin as the rest of us.

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Anonymous #5 6d

No what I take issue with is when people try to draw lines between “this human has value but not this one” due to any factors involving ability or development. Any time anyone says “a fetus isn’t a human with worth because ___” always ends up being morally problematic in a bunch of other ways as well. No human should be denied the right to live. And yes that means no death penalty either before anyone tries to call me a hypocrite.

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Anonymous #12 6d

And that’s why many parents don’t teach sex Ed cause the lack of accountability and now you have children uninformed about their own bodies and the changes that will occur or about proper ways to avoid getting pregnant or std/sti because abstinence doesn’t work, because we can see in abstinent only communities teen pregnancy sky rockets. A child less informed about their body is less likely to report abuse.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Yes but deli meat is an implied risk you can get sick from improper cutting, cross contamination and spoiled meat whereas the others drinking, smoking are unnecessary risks that people choose.

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Anonymous #12 6d

But that’s also inherent in human nature, we see each other on a value based system. Convicted felons who are incarcerated who have confessed to their crimes and admit they did it have no value in our human society because they devalued themselves in our system and we state that. You won’t ever choose the incarcerated over the person who has never been in trouble, I don’t want to hear a lie.

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Anonymous #5 6d

What’s why many parents don’t teach sex ed? I would say the vast majority of parents give some version of “the talk” lol. But regardless parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit. That’s a basic familial right, that can’t just be taken away that’s a huge ethical violation.

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Anonymous #5 6d

And I’m talking about normal deli meat. Look up how it’s made, but essentially it’s so processed that it wrecks havoc on your gut which causes a ton of issues including cancer. Same level of threat as asbestos and other bad substances. But as I was saying raw milk is no different then drinking or smoking in terms of risk either, it’s something people choose to do with risks, except one so vilified and the others aren’t for some reason.

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Anonymous #5 6d

I believe all humans have value, don’t straw man my argument. This is the same as if I asked u if you would save a baby or an 80 year old from a burning building. Most people who choose to save the baby, but that doesn’t mean the 80 year old doesn’t have the same rights and value. That also doesn’t mean if I see the same 80 year old on the sidewalk I can’t just kill them randomly.

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Anonymous #12 6d

All humans value until they show you that they don’t. You cannot be where ever you are and type out all humans have value and knowing you wouldn’t choose a drunk driver who killed two people or the person who killed in self defense. You won’t cause they inherently lost all value when they choose to drink and drive. We exist on a value system in human nature but the moment we decided they aren’t of value we don’t care.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Parents don’t teach sex Ed among many so called controversial educational subjects, because it’s easier to keep kids ignorant, uniformed and manipulate when you don’t fully educate as one should. I.e in the Amish community an 11 yr old (2022) should not have given birth to her brother child’s if they had proper accountability for the homeschooling and sex Ed, if she knew proper terms for her body she could’ve confirmed earlier she was being abused by all 4 of her brothers.

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Anonymous #5 6d

I understood your view the first time, but just because I would choose the person who killed in self defense doesn’t mean the other person lost all value or suddenly doesn’t have rights. Those rights are unalienable and that person still has value. Just because someone committed vehicular manslaughter while drunk doesn’t mean anyone can just kill them because they feel like it.

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Anonymous #5 6d

If an 11 year old is getting abused and raped by her brothers that isn’t so much an education issue that’s a terrible parent issue. Yes kids should be told about private parts and have that concept explained to them, but lack of accountability over homeschooling is not why that girl was raped. That is because her brothers are seriously mentally twisted.

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Anonymous #12 6d

They didn’t lose rights but they definitely lost all value, Brock Turned in society has lost all value especially only serving a 3 month sentence that’s why he goes by his middle name because he’s recognizable and for good reason he should never live down the shame. Rights are unalienable but value to others society isn’t.

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Anonymous #12 6d

No it’s because of the lack of accountability from their homeschooling but also lack of government accountability in Amish communities anyways they get away with more atrocities and shouldn’t.

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you’re on a roll for getting mad bc you wildly misinterpreted something

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no you just misinterpreted it, literally everyone else got it but you. ik it’s YY but you’re choosing a goofy hill to die on

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Anonymous #5 5d

I suppose the values thing is more semantics, when I say value I mean value inherent to human beings, not just losing privileges or being shamed

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Anonymous #5 5d

Plenty of non homeschooled people get away with atrocities all the time, this is not an Amish or homeschooled issue it’s an abuse issue. Plenty of rape and abuse happens in schools as well and plenty have gotten away with it too.

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Anonymous #16 5d

Yea it was an evil few, but any other interpretation saying it’s more is objectively wrong. Teachers have a higher abuse rate than priests. Also the church acknowledges that it mishandled cases and has implemented strict measures to ensure it doesn’t happen again, which is the definition of accountability, despite those cases also just being some church officials and not “the church” as many people seem to like to just say without reason

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