Anonymous #1 1d

I’m asking about a clothing section in stores, not about whether the clothes exist, just to be clear.

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Anonymous #2 1d

At least in the stores I’ve gone to

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Anonymous #2 1d

I see boxer underwear but that’s basically it :/ I’m saying lingerie like Victoria’s Secret but marketed for men instead. I’ve never seen this before. Wouldn’t that be cool? I’ve never seen “sexy lingerie” designed for men

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why do you think you’ve never seen it before? 🤔

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Anonymous #3 1d

I have NEVER seen a single one. If stores with men's lingerie sections exist, they are significantly less common than women's lingerie sections. I looked it up, and the ones that have it are usually a small number of options in store while the women’s section is huge with lots of options. Try and find a store with a huge walk in men’s lingerie section.

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Anonymous OP 23h

I know you’ve never seen a single one before. That was my point. Why do you think that is? Because there’s no need for it. Gay men, guys with a fetish and trans people are the only ones that would shop there and that’s too small of a population.

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Anonymous #3 23h

That is a very weird and heteronormative answer from you. You want to know the social reason for why it doesn’t exist? Because women’s bodies are more sexualized by our patriarchal society than men’s. My question was not “why”; my question was would you WANT it to be that way, and you never answered that question. You do not have to be gay or have a “fetish” to want to buy lingerie as a man, just as you don’t need to as a woman.

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Anonymous #3 23h

Maybe instead of asking a question in response to my question, you start by answering the question in the OP first. I'm curious what your answer to my original question is first before we go off on a tangent.

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Anonymous OP 23h

The truth only hurts when it’s supposed to. It has nothing to do with being a patriarchal society lol 😂 Women wear lingerie for two reasons. To feel sexy and to seduce men. Heterosexual men don’t think about feeling sexy the way we do and they aren’t trying to visually seduce a woman with any type of lingerie. That’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous OP 23h

No

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Anonymous #3 23h

Yes it does have to do with patriarchal gender norms and expectations. There is nothing “inherent” about men and women that explains the dynamic you just described (where women wear things to feel sexy). That is a product of gender norms. The idea that “women want to look sexy” while “men don’t want to look sexy like women do” is a gender norm that is downstream from patriarchy.

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Anonymous #3 23h

Why do you believe men shouldn’t have these clothing options available in stores? Is it because you believe in gender stereotypes about what clothes men wear “should” wear and what clothes women “should” wear rather than encouraging people to wear ANY clothes they want to?

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Anonymous OP 23h

You’re so needy and desperate to make this conversation something it’s not 😂 You’re definitely gay or trans and good for you, I don’t care but you need to understand that your worldview is the minority. In a society based on capitalism, which is what we have, we primarily base things on the majority. Stores don’t have sections like that because the overwhelming majority of people don’t really care about that and would never buy those products.

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Anonymous OP 23h

no i know, im just saying they recently did a sketch w jack black and the whole thing was about a victoria’s secret for men

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Anonymous #3 22h

I am NOT gay OR trans. You, however, are deeply sexist and homophobic based on how you discuss this topic. You need to check yourself.

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Anonymous #3 21h

“In a society based on capitalism we base things on the majority” Is that why you hold homophobic and sexist views? You come here telling me “You must be gay or trans” and that “women dress to feel sexy”? Really disgusting way of looking at the world. Hey, if you don’t want to critique or combat patriarchy in any way “because capitalism says we should go with the majority” (why are you supporting capitalism?), then be my guest. Just don’t pretend that your views are not harmful to women.

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Anonymous #1 21h

You never actually answered the question I asked. Is it a yes or a no? Would you be in favor of this?

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Anonymous OP 21h

I AM a woman. You want to be. We aren’t the same. Women do dress to feel sexy. That’s not a sexist view it’s a fact. Source? I’m a woman idiot. This has nothing to do with combating the patriarchy 🤣 That’s just nonsense you keep telling yourself 🙄

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Anonymous OP 21h

i don’t really care one way or another to be honest but yeah sure i guess. let men have skimpy lil lace pieces too, why not

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Anonymous #3 21h

I have never worn something to seduce men. I wear clothes because I like them.

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Anonymous #4 21h

Congratulations. What’s your point?

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Anonymous #3 21h

“Source? I’m a woman idiot” You are ALSO misogynistic. You can be sexist AND a woman. YES, women wear clothes to feel sexy, but the issue with your close-minded, misogynistic worldview is that you believe that men SHOULDN’T have clothing sections dedicated to making men feel sexy about what they wear. Your worldview reinforces patriarchal gendered stereotypes. Check yourself before reinforcing heteronormative sexist stereotypes.

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Anonymous OP 21h

You need mental health counseling.

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Anonymous #3 21h

Work on your homophobia and misogyny before giving people advice. Acting like “looking sexy” something that should be exclusively reserved for women is also harmful to queer, nonbinary, gender questioning, and trans people. ANYONE should be able to buy clothes like that, so acting like it’s strange for me to ask about a dedicated lingerie section for men is weird on your part, not mine.

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Anonymous OP 20h

Keep telling yourself that while you’re looking for a therapist. You’re not well. Your so focused on pushing your little agenda you can’t even see how ridiculous and flawed your responses are. 😂

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Anonymous #3 20h

“Pushing your little agenda” Bro you’re the one who said he was gay and/or trans. If anything you’re pushing that on him. If anyone needs mental health counseling it’s you sheesh

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Anonymous #4 20h

They 💯 are. Stating a fact isn’t pushing an agenda. Them making this topic about the patriarchy, misogyny blah blah blah. That’s pushing an agenda 🙄

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Anonymous #3 20h

but it is about patriarchy and misogyny and commercialized/commodified eroticism targeting, primarily, women and only women. lol like they’re right

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Anonymous #1 20h

lol like they’re not 🙄 Corporations care about profits. Period. They don’t give a shit about the patriarchy or misogyny or liberal or conservative, or republican or democrat, blah blah blah. They care about money. If a men’s lingerie store was profitable they would be everywhere but they aren’t because nobody cares. It has nothing to do with any of the other BS. They care about money.

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Anonymous #3 20h

ur joking right? the beauty industry exists to prey on manufactured insecurities due to misogynistic & patriarchal stereotypes and expectations of women. of course it generates profit when half the population is convinced they need a smokey eye and hailey bieber’s lip combo and a chemical cocktail of antiaging skin creams and serums. of course politics don’t matter when women on both sides fall for it! lmfao why do u think men are mocked when they do wear makeup? it’s not because Profit

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Anonymous #3 20h

Making up facts is an agenda. He’s saying he’s not and you’re saying he is. Who do you think knows him better, a stranger on the internet or himself? Also you brought politics into this for some reason. Just stop being weird and trying to put people down

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Anonymous #1 20h

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous #4 19h

Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Or better yet, do you ALWAYS believe people on here? 🤔

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Anonymous #1 18h

Your ignorance and lack of business acumen is astounding. All they care about is profit. Period. That is why they exist. You and all your little things that trigger you mean nothing to them. It’s about money. They don’t exist to prey on manufactured insecurities due to blah blah blah. 🙄

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Anonymous #3 18h

YES, all they care about is profit. Now, where is our capitalist system situated inside of? It is situated within a PATRIARCHAL (and white supremacist) capitalist system, specifically. So, what is profitable? Well, feeding the public the exact same gender stereotypes and misogynistic patriarchal views that they presently have and are willing to purchase. So, when I ask if it would be nice if we had a lingerie section for men, I already know that it is “profitable” to reinforce gender norms

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Anonymous #3 18h

Notice that my question was never “What do you think makes corporations the most money?” Maybe you are so obsessed with our current patriarchal capitalist system that you cannot think outside of it. Maybe take a step back and reread my question. I asked you whether you would support or be fine with a lingerie section for men. Telling me what corporations find profitable does not answer the question of what YOU would prefer, unless you and profit-seeking corporations agree on everything.

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Anonymous #3 18h

how can you be this willfully ignorant and stubborn about being wrong. it’s embarrassing for you. lmfao. why do you think women shave? because companies in the 1920s wanted to sell more razors (capitalism) so they said look! ladies SHAVE now! (introducing a new patriarchal beauty standard: hairlessness). the cycle repeats and builds upon itself until it’s socially reinforced and expected of women. capitalism thrives by pushing products while patriarchy thrives by shaming those who don’t adhere

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Anonymous #3 18h

Do you not understand how stupid you are? Or better yet, do you ALWAYS act like an idiot and then play this card? 🤔

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Anonymous #3 18h

I’m so confused mate. The market would likely make a completely separate department store for it bc of the judgement ppl get from shopping anyway. But if it’s made by a woman it’ll likely get sales. Men don’t really make things functional for men, or women really. I’m sure there’s at least one person who would buy it if it’s advertised correctly

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Anonymous #4 18h

I understand that you’re either gay or trans and all of this blathering on about misogyny the patriarchy, blah blah blah just illustrates how little you understand business. You asked a question and then used the answer as an excuse to go off on your little monologue about a bunch of crap that corporate America doesn’t care about. Do YOU understand how stupid you are? I’m heartbroken you can’t find lingerie to stick your little penis in. Truly. 🙄

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Anonymous #3 17h

I’m a cis straight woman lol but sure. You’re the one being a dick. I truly don’t care about your politics or you. What I don’t appreciate is you spreading hate and being bitchy. I’m actually heartbroken that you are so stupid and don’t have empathy. You will get what is coming for you 🥰

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