Anonymous #7 1w

There’s an overall lack/decrease of social interaction skills between men and women and within the two groups themselves

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Anonymous #5 1w

Which would be just a “loneliness epidemic”

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Anonymous #7 1w

Its higher among men than women and growing at a faster rate too.

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Anonymous pirosnake 1w

It’s make believe

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Anonymous #7 1w

Its well documented. At this point its as idiotic as denying the moon landing.

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Anonymous #6 1w

Well that’s not crazy at all, is it? Women do it too; case in point, basically everything on TikTok. Manipulating people into reinforcing their own brainwashing is relatively easy with social media and the reliance on algorithms to feed people content

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Anonymous #7 1w

It doesn’t indicate that at all though. Not only do women have a surplus of male validation, they’re often drowning in so much of it they sometimes get genuinely overwhelmed. But the zillions of dudes chasing her attention aren’t having the same experience. Unrequited love/lust/infatuation is overall the norm (averaging out most dating-ish interactions) and is experienced very differently by both sides. When a woman rejects a guy (or a thousand) she doesn’t have to feel lonely; but he does

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Anonymous #9 1w

Can I have some examples of viewpoints we are “brainwashed” to believe?

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Anonymous #9 1w

Not saying thats their fault or that rejecting guys is wrong. Just saying it’s a flaw to assume that single men and single women must be equally lonely or having the same experience; as with so much else, whoever is in control is experiencing something very different (and more to her liking). Women aren’t experience a loneliness epidemic because a momentarily lonely woman can simply get laid (or otherwise obtain male validation) like turning on a faucet. If a woman’s alone, it’s by her choice.

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Anonymous #9 1w

Getting laid is not the cure for loneliness, for men or women

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Anonymous #6 1w

Like, you specifically? I don’t know you. I don’t even know a single viewpoint you have. If you mean examples of harmful propaganda I’ve seen spread there, sure: it’s been used to normalize and trivialize what used to be seen as very serious character flaws that demand to be worked on: shopaholicism, domestic abuse, manipulative/exploitative attitudes in relationships generally being written off as charming quirks, and somehow it’s been used to both demonize sexuality AND glamorize sex work.

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Anonymous #6 1w

Why do you ask? Is any of this news to you, or do you somehow not consider any of it (or the manosphere stuff) to qualify as “propaganda”? What would be your definition of propaganda, in that case?

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Anonymous #9 1w

You guys realize propaganda and brainwashing have actual definitions right.. you can’t call any harmful ideas on the internet propaganda and brainwashing

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Anonymous #9 1w

Propaganda is systemic

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Anonymous #6 1w

Not for women, bc, as I said, a woman can always get laid if she wants (otherwise, they WOULD feel that same kind of loneliness, just like guys sometimes do). But for men (for whom friendship is relatively easy) that’s usually the hardest kind of companionship to achieve. If a man has just one reason to feel lonely, it’s that. And it will usually drive him crazy bc it’s important and other ppl (whether intentionally or not) judge it so harshly and instinctively respect desirable people more.

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Anonymous #9 1w

And yall wonder why women don’t take the male loneliness epidemic seriously. If a man has just one reason to be lonely it’s that he hasn’t gotten laid? That’s just incel shit

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Anonymous #6 1w

Again, I’m having trouble thinking of a definition of “systemic” that would exclude what we’re talking about. To be pedantic it obviously meets the dictionary definitions of all those things. Do you mean ‘As or more organized than posters on walls and leaflets dropped out of airplanes’? Bc I’d say the social media algorithms and the parties deciding what messaging to promote DO clear that bar with flying colors

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Anonymous #9 1w

The difference is it was a government that ordered those posters to be posted onto walls or leaflets dropped out of planes. How is the government organizing the production and release of manosphere content?

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Anonymous #6 1w

Or maybe is there one organization that has organized this manosphere propaganda? You can’t call any rising ideology propaganda, and if it is propaganda then it’s men propagandizing themselves

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Anonymous #9 1w

Hi so are you implying that being laid is the solution to loneliness? Because that’s bullshit. Most of the reasons I see men talking about male loneness is the lack of connection between male friends, or difficulty in being vulnerable due to notions of masculinity. Men who have had sex can absolutely still be lonely. And you care cheapening true struggles with your gripes of over not having sex.

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Anonymous #6 1w

A. Your refusal to take it seriously doesn’t actually make it incorrect. Every man can make friends, not every man can get laid. That’s a fact. You’re allowed to just not care about someone else’s problems, you don’t have to pretend they doesn’t exist. You can decide YOU don’t care. But you can’t decide they don’t. B. You’ve just perfectly proved my point as to WHY guys care so much. You reach for an insult and come up with “incel”? If “can’t get laid” is your default way of showing disrespect,

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Anonymous #9 1w

Saying the male loneliness epidemic is caused by lack of getting laid IS incel shit.. that’s not me reaching for an insult that’s me making an observation about your argument🫩

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Anonymous #6 1w

then guys who actually can’t get laid have every right to be (at least privately) freaked out about it. If you (like most people tbf) treat respect as inherently tied to how much sex you assume someone has, they’re gonna notice that lol. Crazy to then turn around and say you don’t see it as a real problem, like pick a lane.

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Anonymous #9 1w

Like strawberry said, the male loneliness epidemic is seeming caused by lack of supportive friendships among men, not lack of one night stands

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Anonymous #6 1w

It’s also caused in general by this generation spending many formative years through a screen and the lack of third party places to go that don’t involve money. We’ve made the world more hostile for young kids. And the expectation for kids and young adults to have it together without giving them proper tools. Everyone is dealing with loneliness. We’ve just seen very different ways men and women are dealing with it.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

You’re cheapening the complete lack of romantic love in someone’s life by conflating it with just “not having sex”

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Anonymous #2 1w

I didn’t say that? I’m talking about what 9 said.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

I may have misread that my bad. Still, I think it’s an important distinction. That’s really what most “incels” feel like they have missed out on, not necessarily the sex by itself.

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Anonymous #6 1w

“Seemingly” meaning that’s the problem you’re willing to acknowledge, ignoring the ones you aren’t? But why are you vehemently denying the fact that guys DO get burned out by endless rejection, and many do care about it? That wouldn’t make it your problem. Nobody’s trying to guilt you into dating anyone. Are you afraid you’d empathize with them? That might be good for you. Ugly guys aren’t entitled to you but they are sapient. A tiny bit of human decency would make that way less of a problem.

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Anonymous #2 1w

What I’m saying is that there’s plenty of reasons to truly feel lonely in this world. But by claiming it’s entirely sex based cheapens those who are actually struggling and alienates people who both want to help and who struggle.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

Sure, but any OTHER reason to feel lonely isnt gender specific and would be happening to everyone at once. It’s valid to worry about a “general loneliness epidemic” brought about by iPad kid syndrome or what have you. It’s just not the same phenomenon. Male loneliness epidemic (when described by men) nearly always refers to the widespread and seemingly worsening difficulty in connecting specifically with women, which men worry about much more (largely bc they connect with each other just fine).

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Anonymous #9 1w

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I never said that isn’t the case? You can read up. The only thing I ever said is claiming the male loneliness epidemic would be fixed by having sex is just plain not true. You can connect with women and it’s not only about sex. I have a bunch of male friends. Making it seem like sex is the only way to fix it is ridiculous.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

Sure it would. Of course it would. Why wouldn’t it? I don’t want to sound crass as if men’s interest in women is limited to sex; of course it’s not, most men want to find the love of their lives at some point. BUT again, men form platonic friendships just fine with each other. That’s not a gendered problem. I meant connections with women as women. Romantic/intimate connections/attraction because that’s what’s not universally achievable for men. It’s like you think that making friends would cure

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Anonymous #9 1w

every depressed incel or burned out guy who’s given up on dating. If that was true, there wouldn’t be any, bc anyone can make friends. Your assumption that getting laid wouldn’t un-depress them is unsupported. You couldn’t know that because there are a zillion incels out there that just won’t happen for. But in my experience, it does wonders for morale. It’s just not true that platonic friendships and intimacy are interchangeable. The “kissing the homies goodnight” meme was a joke, to be clear.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

But I never said getting em laid is the ONLY way to fix it. My suggestion is to be more conscious of our intrinsic biases and halo effect & not condition human decency on attraction & stop impulsively assuming the worst about everyone we don’t want to bang. Wouldn’t eradicate or even reduce the number of lonely dudes, but it would allow them to tap out of the dating pool without despair and make peace with that they can’t have everything. But ik that’s not a super popular idea.

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Anonymous #9 1w

But the problem is with that is 1) you are still saying it would fix the problem which it won’t. 2) You have no proof of any of your statements. While I have many articles of men who struggle connecting with each other. I can even show you that platonic relationships have gone down in men. And 3) It’s not a popular solution because it puts the burden, once again on women. If someone wants to feel less lonely there’s a lot you can do. Loneliness in men and women is REAL and sex isn’t going to fix

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

it. Frankly put I’m done with this conversation because it’s like talking to the void. You haven’t actually responded to any of my points and have only ever made statements. I’m trying to have a constructive conversation about the nature of loneliness and what can be done. You want to talk about how women should have sex with people to fix them. These are very different conversations.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

What actually makes you assume it wouldn’t fix the problem? If a million people claim they’re upset that they’re dehydrated, you wouldn’t insist that water wouldn’t fix that (unless you’d never been thirsty, interestingly). You’re just reacting to your (invented) conviction that I’m trying to guilt you into sleeping with someone. I never even said you should feel guilty. You’re allowed to shrug and decide it’s just not your problem. Which is why I haven’t placed ANY burden on women (even human d

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Anonymous #9 1w

ecency which is… a rather disturbing thing to see as a “burden”). And YOU are apparently the one who wants to talk about how women should have sex with people to fix them. I have consistently said the opposite, that you don’t have any responsibility to do that. Which is why you seem to be putting that in my mouth as a strawman argument.

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