Anonymous OP 20h

Why do they like using that word so much if not to degrade us

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Anonymous #2 18h

Why not just call them one of the million other words we have to call people out for bad behavior rather than using a word that’s really loaded though?

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Anonymous OP 18h

Because, and I’ll say this again, I’m not gonna have any reason NOT to if you’re acting like one.

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Anonymous #2 18h

The reason is not being sexist man. You wouldn’t call a gay man the F word bc he’s pissing you off bc you know that’s homophobic right? So why call Woman a bitch when she’s being a jerk when there are a million non sexist words to use

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Anonymous OP 18h

There’s a biiig difference between the f slur and bitch💀 the fact that you typed out the word “bitch” and not the f slur proves that

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Anonymous #2 18h

I agree there is a difference in severity. But ultimately both are words designed to be derogatory to a group of people. Also I’m a woman, so I’m fine using bitch. I am however not a gay man so ofc I’m gonna respect their wishes and not use that word

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Anonymous #2 18h

If you would respect a gay man asking you not to use a word, why not respect a woman using the same line of reasoning, is what I’m getting at

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Anonymous OP 18h

Because the F slur is actually harmful to queer people and bitch isn’t harmful to women outside of specific circumstances

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Anonymous OP 18h

This shouldn’t have to be explained to you lmfao why do you think yikyak doesn’t even let you post the f slur in a comment?

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Anonymous #2 18h

as a woman I’m explaining to you bitch is in fact harmful. Again not as harmful as the F slur, I acknowledge that, but it’s the same idea. The fundamental question to ask yourself is why do you not respect women enough to just drop one word from your vocabulary they have asked you not to use because of the negative connotations

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Anonymous OP 18h

The other thing here is that, yeah, you find it harmful. Cool story. The majority of women don’t give a fuck. As opposed to the f slur where the majority of queer people do give a fuck. You’re in the minority for finding a genuine problem with the existence of the word bitch.

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Anonymous #2 17h

A LOT of women do care. Every single woman I know doesn’t like it. You can’t know that the majority does not like it

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Anonymous OP 17h

It’s not just one. It’s an eternally moving goalpost. Example: Can I call a woman a cunt?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Bad for the same reason bitch is bad but imo less bad. Why do you so badly need a word rooted in misogyny to use on women?

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Anonymous #3 16h

I wanted to have a respectful conversation. It’s rly disheartening how hard it is to get men to respect anything we have to say..

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Anonymous OP 16h

I feel like you came in here with your expectations already set

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Anonymous #5 15h

I think it’s a totally ok term for guys to use on guys or women to use on women, my problem is just from men to women there is a sexist undertone

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Anonymous OP 15h

I’ve never used it to degrade someone for being a women I used in a disrespectful tone to let them know shit is about to jump off

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Anonymous OP 15h

No you didn’t. You wanted to scold men and act like a pretentious bitch 🙄

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Anonymous #5 15h

I understand that’s not how you’re using it the problem is that word is rooted in misogyny and it has not lost that connotation regardless of your intentions with it

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Anonymous #3 15h

I am not trying to scold. I am trying to explain, as a woman, why we find that word harmful. Can you PLEASE not use that word. There are SO many ways you can insult me if you don’t like me why do you HAVE to use one rooted in misogyny? Why are you not willing to question your attitude about it for even a minute

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Anonymous OP 15h

No the word is used to describe a female dog its origins is not rooted in misogyny

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Anonymous #5 15h

The origins of its use on women is, and that’s what I’m referring to. I’m sure it’s not hard to understand why using a term for dogs on women may have been a derogatory choice

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Anonymous OP 15h

Why do you so badly need to wokescold men about their language?

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Anonymous #3 15h

Why do men so badly need to use a sexist term?

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Anonymous OP 15h

No. You can bitch about it all that you want, but I’m not going to change my vocabulary to suit your sensibilities. You going to tell people that they can’t say “handicap”, since that was originally a slur for crippled people? Is saying “yas queen” a form of hate speech, since “queen” was a derogatory term for gay men? Maybe you should be less of a pussy if it hurts your feelings that much. Take some personal accountability for your feelings

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Anonymous #3 15h

So you’re good with feeding into sexism?

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Anonymous OP 15h

Can we not try and use logical fallacies here?

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Anonymous #3 15h

It’s not just my feelings this is a common sentiment amongst women. And if someone asks me not to use a term on them i generally will not use because I try to respect people’s feelings

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Anonymous #4 15h

Just answer the question

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Anonymous OP 15h

If I asked you "so you want all men to die?" Is that question progressing the conversation that you so desperately want to have or is it trying to go to an extreme to try and discredit one side or the other?

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Anonymous OP 15h

Look bitch, you can wokescold as much as you want. I’m not going to let a Karen dictate my behavior. If a coworker asked me not to say the word, I’d try to limit it. I’d also judge/resent that coworker for being that sensitive. Grow the fuck up 🙄

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Anonymous #3 15h

I mean if you’re ok being sexist it is what it is. I know there are still sexist men out there it just.. sucks. It would be nice if we could just respect eachother, it doesn’t feel that hard to do

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Anonymous #4 14h

I asked because using the word bitch feeds into sexism, it’s a relevant part of the conversation. The “so you want all men to die” has nothing to do with subject

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Anonymous OP 14h

Me and my bitch are perfectly fine with the word. It’s your pathetic emotional state that’s too fragile to hear a simple word lmao

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Anonymous OP 14h

The point Im trying to make is flying over your head. Im done here bc I can't explain it any simpler.

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Anonymous OP 9h

I don’t get all pissy when some racist calls me boy ignore it and keep pushing

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Anonymous #5 9h

But you acknowledge the person saying it is racist (also I’m sorry you have to deal with that, I’m pissed that attitude still exists)

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Anonymous OP 9h

I learned to tune it out if my head I don’t even hear it any more just do that

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Anonymous #5 9h

I do to some extent, but why not also ask people to think harder about the attitudes and prejudices they carry, what harm can it do. The world would be better if would could bring ourselves to care a little damn more.

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Anonymous OP 9h

Unless I hear a slur racist are tuned all the way out I can’t force them to stop hating besides with all that hate built up in them they gone die before me anyway

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Anonymous #5 9h

Fair enough. Still sad though. Obviously it’s a less dramatic and bad word but bitch is used by so many men if I tuned all of them out I swear I would just shut out like 50% of guys. Do I just.. do that? Then I’ll get called a man hating bitch you know..

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Anonymous OP 9h

You wouldn’t you just have to learn to tune out the word bitch all you gotta do is jus do your part so that the next generation don’t end up like this one

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Anonymous #5 9h

isn’t it important to not tune it out though? Like hear who speaks about you like that and avoid them? But yeah I will sure as hell be raising my kids better, but if so many people won’t acknowledge there is even an issue is there really hope things will be better in the future? This word has been in use since practically medieval times. Racism is as old as the knowledge of other races, sexism too. Will it ever rly be fixed?

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Anonymous OP 9h

In a perfect world yeah but all you gotta do is your part to educate the next group

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Anonymous #5 8h

Fair enough. But why does trying to educate the current group get such a negative reaction and how can one believe it will go any better with the next generation

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Anonymous OP 8h

What’s easier redirecting a river at the start or trying to reverse the flow at the end of it

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Anonymous #5 8h

True. Still I like to believe people are capable of change.

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Anonymous OP 8h

Then you haven’t interacted with people who have pure hate in their hearts

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Anonymous #5 8h

Well maybe I am on here then.. and to edit that. I like to believe SOME people can change, I like to think at least some of the people who use words carelessly do so due to lack of thought or understanding of the problem, not malicious intent. But lowkey I’m starting to question that

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Anonymous OP 8h

I did not expect this post to get such an immensely negative reaction honestly. I know I was talking about dudes acting like that but I expected there to be more guys willing to talk about it than there would be guys coming in to do the exact thing I was talking about

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Anonymous OP 8h

You’d be surprised how set in there ways people are like I use bitch but only as a warning when I go bitch what before something or some flys through the air mostly said to men cuz most bitches are men

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Anonymous #5 8h

Yeah. I still think it’s problematic calling men bitches primarily bc often it’s used to imply a guy is being in some way feminine and feminine equals bad. But I’m also aware that’s me nitpicking and being very sensitive. I just think it’s important to think about words and their meanings bc unfortunately even the small things we say matter. And yeah it sucks how hard it is for people to change, it’s scary to bc they WILL raise their views into newer generations

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Anonymous #5 8h

But anyway even though we don’t agree 5 thank you so much for engaging in conversation with me! I have my strong opinions on this matter obviously, but I also genuinely did want to hear people’s thoughts whether the men here believe that or not. So I rly appreciate your pov. I’m sorry for the racist shit you deal with and the fact it feels like something we have to just accept. And you know. Thanks for not calling me a bitch.

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Anonymous OP 8h

Bitch is reserved for annoying assholes I’ve told to stop or stfu and they don’t. I will always have a semi respectful convo at the bare minimum because the retirement plan is politics

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