Anonymous OP 5w

Me

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Anonymous #3 5w

22 votes for no oh lord

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Anonymous #5 5w

Obvious trolls btw

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Anonymous #2 5w

??? how

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Anonymous OP 5w

I’m a Catholic. Voting for a married woman doesn’t really make much sense if one believes wives should ultimately be subject to their husband’s leadership

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Anonymous #6 5w

i sincerely hope so but this comment section isnt giving me the space to

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Anonymous #5 5w

35 now 🥀

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Anonymous OP 5w

If you disagree, take it up with God

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Anonymous #2 5w

i’m was literally raised catholic and my parents are catholic and i went to catholic school and nowhere does it say that women can’t be president lmao? like explain amy coney barrett then. bible backed misogyny is made up by sexist idiots looking for justification for their own opinion in religion 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 5w

1. I am not suggesting that Catholic doctrine explicitly states that women “cannot be” president. I just don’t see the point in voting for someone who is explicitly called to submit to their spouse (Colossians 3:18-20, Ephesians 5:21-25, 1 Corinthians 11:3) when you could just vote for the spouse and get the same result. 2. I wouldn’t vote for Amy Coney Barrett. 3. What part of this is misogynistic? The bible also commands that husbands love and care for their wives. No part of this is hateful.

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Anonymous #2 5w

if you don’t give women the same respect and due deference as men who have the same experience and policy as them, then that is inherently sexist. sexism is not treating men and women the same purely because they’re a man or a woman and not for anything to do with their expertise. saying you would vote for her spouse over her because he’s a man for example is sexist. it doesn’t have to be hateful to be unfair and wrong. you have to remember that the bible has been translated from its original-

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Anonymous OP 5w

source many times over, and written in a time and place without popular democracy or a sense of women’s equality like we have today. we have to approach it with the flexibility that we give other historic texts in their interpretation. kind of like how one version says “the darkness cannot comprehend the light” well we read that as “understand” but it meant “overcome” at the time. it was translated in periods without gender equality as well.

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Anonymous OP 5w

i have to ask whether you would vote for an unmarried woman if you supported her policies and educational and professional background?

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Anonymous #2 5w

okay update i was curious about this so i asked my parents who are both lawyers and very conservative catholics who voted for trump and i asked them the same question i asked all of you. my mother considered and then said yes (she totally subscribes to the submit to your husband thing and regards my father as the head of the household) and said that the people who run for president aren’t concerned with religion anyways becuase you have to be really egotistical and sell your soul basically

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Anonymous OP 5w

my father answered yes as i was asking the question. he’s from the deep rural south, and loves margaret thatcher. he said a woman can be anything from a cardiologist to a supreme court justice to president (just not a priest). he also told me to stop arguing with people on the internet because they’re always wrong. i think you need to seriously rethink why you consider women as being unfit in authoritative roles, especially if you’ve ever listened to your mother or a female teacher or boss. lol

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Anonymous OP 5w

You are aggressively misunderstanding my position, even after I went out of my way to clarify it. That tells me you are either arguing in bad faith or are blinded by genuine bias.

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Anonymous OP 5w

As far as I’m concerned, your father’s political opinion of Margaret Thatcher holds no theological weight whatsoever. I wouldn’t vote for an unmarried person at all, unless they were a member of the clergy.

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Anonymous #2 5w

that’s not really a response that lays out a counterargument. i’ll admit that i’m biased as a woman but my points are objective. take a moment to read through. not trying to be aggressive here

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Anonymous #2 5w

my father is a married member of the orthodox christian clergy. catholicism doesn’t believe in female clergy so again you’re cutting out women entirely on the basis of sex alone. that is inherently sexist. if you don’t think women should be authority figures purely because they’re women, then just say that. religion has nothing to do with it. the several priests i know would happily endorse a female candidate if her policies were in line with the faith, married or unmarried.

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Anonymous OP 5w

1. Men and women have different roles, and are equal in the eyes of God. This is not contradictory, nor is it sexist. 2. Appeal to mistranslation is moot unless you can provide specific evidence of earlier translations that contradict modern ones. 3. The evil on display by politicians is no excuse to abandon one’s principles at the voting booth. 4. Your father is arguing against someone else, not me. I didn’t claim that Catholic doctrine condemns women in leadership positions.

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Anonymous #2 5w

you don’t speak for God. it’s as simple as that. mary of magdelene was a preacher. the new testament references female clergy members. your beliefs seem closer to aristotle’s than to Jesus’. Jesus loved men and women equally. he appeared to women first after the ressurection. i won’t sit here and listen to you say misogynistic things under the guise of religion. it’s my religion too and you’re wrong. 🤷‍♀️ simple as that

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Anonymous OP 5w

A married member of the orthodox Christian clergy? I thought you said he was Catholic! If you have a problem with Catholic doctrine, that’s an entirely different discussion. I was under the impression that we were arguing *interpretations* of Catholic doctrine, which ostensibly seem to support my position, as you’ve implicitly admitted by taking a stance against the doctrine entirely.

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Anonymous OP 5w

You sound almost Protestant, I don’t claim to speak for God, I merely come as a member of the Church he established. That is something neither you nor your father can say.

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Anonymous #2 5w

not protestant, just quite confused…also like i’m sorry but yk that catholicism and orthodoxy were literally the same church before the schism right? that’s why it’s called orthodox it literally means original and the patriarch and pope met not too long ago. but i digress. my mother is catholic and as i said i was raised catholic and went to catholic school. you’re dead wrong buddy women can def be president and i think you would come around on this tbh

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Anonymous OP 5w

You referred to Catholic doctrine as sexist. That doesn’t sound like something a Catholic would say. I have studied Church history to some extent and come to the conclusion that, although it was a simultaneous mutual excommunication in 1054, the original Church is still embodied by those in communion with Rome.

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Anonymous #2 5w

🫩 whatever man

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Anonymous OP 5w

Time for another schism make things "fun"

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Anonymous #7 5w

Ive been sending screenshots of this to my catholic friend and she’s having a great time 😭

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Anonymous #5 5w

Oh boy! I wonder what shes saying

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Anonymous #5 5w

I’m doing my best out here lol. Just want to clarify that I’m not trying to say men and women aren’t spiritually equal, just that we have different roles.

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Anonymous #2 5w

As society has moved away from being a religion centered world. The social norms have also changed. To follow the scripture to the letter is to live in the past. Use it as a guide and adapt to societal norms.

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Anonymous #7 5w

Within reason sure, but not to the point of heretical modernism as condemned by Pope St. Pius X

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Anonymous #2 5w

And yet the church has adapted. Things change and so to the church changes. Pope Leo XIV is a great example of this. Don't get stuck in the past be in the present

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Anonymous #7 5w

I assure you Pope Leo XIV does not think Catholic doctrine is sexist

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Anonymous #7 5w

^^^^ what #7 said. you can’t base the entirety of what women are able to do on one line in the bible from a guy who wasn’t even quoting Jesus. if they had a book of Mary of Magdelene saying “women are equal to men” would you feel differently? 🥱

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Anonymous #2 5w

This is just sad tbh. Someone who is so devout that they've become blinded by it. Its cool that you're catholic, but its to a point where it hinders you.

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Anonymous OP 5w

I literally said women are equal to men. You’re arguing against someone else, not me.

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Anonymous #2 5w

well and also if we’re being frank, the catholic church totally excludes and has excluded women from the decision making process. you’re relying on men who are unmarried and believe in the sanctity of men over women to make all of the decisions about women’s roles. kind of cutting down the competition tbh

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Anonymous OP 5w

This is what I meant by “blinded by bias”

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Anonymous #7 5w

How can my faith possibly hinder me?

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Anonymous #2 5w

it’s not equality if you think their roles are socially different. i’m not gonna argue that we have biological differences, but our intellect is the same. this is the same kind of “separate but equal” bs they pulled to discriminate against Black people pre-civil rights…and they also tended to use religion as a backing….

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Anonymous #2 5w

by being untrue

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Anonymous OP 5w

It’s becoming increasingly clear that your personal religion is based on feminism and the civil rights movement, not the crucifixion and the resurrection.

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Anonymous #2 5w

For one, making people not take you seriously, 2 making rational decisions without bias, if a woman were to have policies that you agreed with and was running for president. It sounds like you wouldn't vote for her simply because that isn't her "role".

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Anonymous #7 5w

Plenty of people didn’t take the apostles seriously, that’s not a great heuristic for the utility of faith. I left room for possible exceptions in my phrasing, if you’ll look back at my original comment. I said I would “assume” that, but my mind could be changed depending on the fruits of the situation

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Anonymous #2 5w

i’m literally not seeing a good reason for you not voting for a female president. “she’s a woman” isn’t good enough for me.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Like I said if a woman is married and thats the determining factor in if you vote for them you gotta reconsider the way you interpret the bible. Will you follow it literally or see it as something that has changed over time with society as a living breathing thing. Don't bother responding bc this is going nowhere atp and Im done wasting my time here

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Anonymous #7 5w

I pray you aren’t implying anything heretical, for the sake of your soul. It really sounds like you’re under the illusion of modernism.

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Anonymous #2 5w

You got the wrong impression of me. Im not religious. Im friends with a bunch of Greek and Serbian Orthodox people. They're sitting here laughing their asses off to your responses bc you really are blinded by your faith.

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Anonymous #7 5w

Luke 23:34

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Anonymous #2 5w

“the illusion of modernism” buddy look around 😭 do you think the apostles peter and paul ever imagined the united states of america be fr if you care so much about tradition you’re welcome to go live in a desert and wear camel skins and not interact in a democracy that entertains women in positions political authority just like john the baptist. ts is getting ridiculous 😭

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Anonymous #7 5w

I won’t be swayed by mockery.

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Anonymous #7 5w

fr like at least in my church women are really respected and my experience (meaning my whole life) with catholicism has a similar view. women aren’t allowed in the clergy but i guarantee you that any priest you ask, catholic or orthodox, is going to agree that a woman has as much right to the presidency as any man if her policies are sound and consistent with the faith 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 5w

Oh, so I’m arguing with an apostate and an atheist. Great. No wonder you don’t seem to have any respect for the word of God

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Anonymous #2 5w

the word of God is from Jesus. the rest of the new testament from the apostles is (let’s face it) men’s interpretations of what Jesus taught, which was then translated over and over again by rich powerful men like king james to get us the modern english version. go read the original hebrew or aramaic texts if you want the original copy. but even then women had virtually no rights when Jesus lived.

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Anonymous OP 5w

I literally have original translations included in my Bible, they align with the Catholic interpretation.

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Anonymous OP 5w

The entire Bible is inspired scripture.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Oh Im sorry. Are we really trying to use Ad hominem, poisoning the well, hasty generations, and genetic fallacies here? Throughout the time Ive spent talking with you here I have tried to be respectful of you. So I ask that you do the same and put aside the bias of your faith that you keep saying the op has.

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Anonymous #7 5w

“The bias of your faith” My faith is not a bias, it is rooted in the truth of Christ. Why on Earth would I put that aside?

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Anonymous #2 5w

okay give me the original translation of the part of the bible where it says women can’t be president bc they’re supposed to be married and at home submitting to their husbands. and then go convince the wonderful male presidents you choose to elect instead that women should stop working and stay home and be given money for that. or you can move to afghanistan where women have less rights than a domestic dog and not have to worry about successful women getting in the way

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Anonymous OP 5w

Holy crashout. You clearly are blinded by anger. You are making up things I literally have not said.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Everything has bias my guy. Whether or not you believe it (check the bible real quick to see if its in there).

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Anonymous #2 5w

i’m literally from the same faith as you as i can tell you that nowhere in the bible does it prohibit women from positions of authority except by accidental implication. the priests would back me up, the nuns would back me up, and the pope would definitely back me up. you’re abusing religious beliefs to support and justify your blatant sexism

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Anonymous OP 5w

You are not from the same faith as me. You called Catholic doctrine “inherently sexist”.

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Anonymous #2 5w

“holy crash out” is a little blasphemous is it not 🤨

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Anonymous OP 5w

also i’m sorry but im entitled to some anger as a woman when you’re directly threatening and undermining the equal rights and intellect of women

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Anonymous #2 5w

Same religion different names. Every single denomination of Christianity is literally a different dlc. Orthodoxy is just the language settings.

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Anonymous #7 5w

The truth is in Christ, whether or not you believe it.

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Anonymous #2 5w

I find truth in research and science. Whether or not you believe it.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Now you’re being openly disingenuous.

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Anonymous #7 5w

orthodoxy and catholicism are also incredibly similar. they separated millennia ago over a dispute about purgatory and papal authority but everything else is the same across the board (eucharist, immaculate conception, resurrection, sacraments etc) and i was baptized melkite greek catholic and chrismated into orthodoxy at the age of 4 with my siblings and father while my mother remained roman catholic. i went to mass every sunday with her, catechism classes, catholic middle and highschool

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Anonymous OP 5w

Nobody has the right to make me vote for them, for any reason.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Yea no, Ive already heard about this don't need a lesson from you.

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Anonymous OP 5w

the catholic church literally lets me receive communion bc of the shared belief in transubstantiation (thought i don’t accept it out of respect and choose to take communion at my church instead). i come from a long tradition of devout catholics, and they would vote for a female president in a heartbeat. like #7 said, if you don’t bend the way you view things in light of modern times, you’re gonna snap. it’s not sustainable

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Anonymous OP 5w

And yet you failed to internalize something as simple as the restriction on ordaining female ministry

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Anonymous #7 5w

sorry i meant to reply to 2

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Anonymous #2 5w

You're right it is your right to vote for whoever you want. At the end of the day you're being influenced by your religion in who you vote for and if its sexist then ig theres not much we can change bc you can lead a horse to water, but cant make it drink

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Anonymous #2 5w

yeah but this is a hypothetical and you directly stated that you wouldn’t vote for her just bc she’s a woman so like ???

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Anonymous OP 5w

No worries lol

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Anonymous OP 5w

You’re quoting someone (#7) who actively rejects Christ, do you realize that?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Where did I state that “I wouldn’t vote for her just bc she’s a woman”

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Anonymous #2 5w

this just makes me sad tbh i don’t know how else to explain to you that women are just regular people. we can be good or bad or stupid or intelligent or religious or atheistic. you have to stop viewing us as a separate species to preserve a misguided view that men are somehow in a position of inherent authority over us. that’s social conditioning, not true faith.

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Anonymous OP 5w

You are the one who has fallen ill to social conditioning.

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Anonymous #2 5w

no you’re right you just said “i wouldn’t vote for a woman who wasn’t submitting to her husband and i wouldn’t vote for an unmarried person” bro 😭… you wouldn’t vote for a NUN if she hypothetically ran??

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Anonymous #2 5w

uh huh 🫩

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Anonymous OP 5w

That’s one of the possible exceptions I left room for with my phrasing, though I haven’t heard of any nuns who claimed to be called to political office. Usually they just stay as nuns.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Gasp, it seems like the op is able to look past the religious bias! And it seems like you think just because I don't follow Christ that instantly makes everything I say not valid anymore. Funny how that works

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Anonymous #7 5w

Yeah, if you ignore the obvious truth then I have no reason to take your opinions seriously

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Anonymous #7 5w

RIGHT lmao i don’t even know what to say to this guy anymore i’m pretty sure if he had his way i wouldn’t be literate rn so i would stop arguing with him

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Anonymous #2 5w

Corinthians 5:12-13. And damn bro really sits here like "yeah my doctor isnt a believer so I don't take his opinion seriously" thats how you sound rn. Like an evangelical

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Anonymous OP 5w

Bro is about to take out his bible and send me to hell ;-;. Oh well Ive lived a good life. I just wish I could go back to my humble job one last time.

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Anonymous #2 5w

it’s not obvious tho 😭 Jesus didn’t hate women lmao he invited Mary of Magdelene to be an apostle and encouraged Mary and Martha to listen to him preaching instead of doing the dishes for them. and anyways if he was being super sexist i don’t know that i’d choose to be christian. it’s not normal to subscribe to religion that uses it to diminish people’s inherent dignity that’s not even a hot take

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Anonymous #7 5w

We’re talking about theology here, not medicine. And yeah, that verse is why I checked out after I realized one of you was an apostate and the other was an atheist.

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Anonymous #7 5w

Sorry I should say heck or h e double hockey sticks

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Anonymous #2 5w

psalms 116:11 🥱

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Anonymous #2 5w

i mean now that we’ve resorted to name calling i don’t really know how to go about this. i’m not even really sure what an apostate is and like. i took latin in school so

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Anonymous OP 5w

Where did I claim Jesus hated women??? None of what I said diminishes anyone’s inherent human dignity. Not voting for someone isn’t a denial of their rights or their humanity

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Anonymous #2 5w

Damn so in your mind someone cannot be an atheist and study theology? Like bro what is that logic?

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Anonymous #2 5w

no bro i said YOU not supporting women’s equality doesn’t make sense bc Jesus treated men and women as equals 😭

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Anonymous #7 5w

You can study it, but your opinions on it are flawed by nature. They are fruits of the poisonous tree, so to speak. I still pray that your studies lead you to Christ.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Bro is looking at the specks in our eyes failing to see the plank in his own

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Anonymous OP 5w

You are spouting nonsense, none of what I have said contradicts human spiritual equality.

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Anonymous #7 5w

You are literally a godless accuser. I do not want to hear about planks from you.

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Anonymous #7 5w

I am done here. I pray for the both of you.

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Anonymous #2 5w

My studies lead me away from Christ in 2021. Digging a grave by hand for a child. I remember thinking to myself why? Faith cannot explain that. Everyone says "its god's plan". To live like that is not how I want to live. To watch you sitting here judging others for not following your faith saying "I hope you find the way". Thats the most hypocritical thing imo. The humblest person has more faith than you and they might not even be as pious as you.

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Anonymous #2 5w

It will fall upon deaf ears.

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Anonymous #7 5w

Dawg tf how did we get to talking about Jesus here

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Anonymous #2 5w

i literally shudder to think what you’re gonna pray for for me bc nothing you’ve said has convinced me that you see women as being in equal footing with you purely because of biological differences. ykw i’ll do you a solid and wish you the best and i hope that one day you can learn to love the women in your life and see them as intellectual beings worthy of your respect as humans 💗 misogyny is as uncool as it is ridiculous

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Anonymous #1 5w

Essentially we got a holier than thou person that is blinded by his faith saying that he wouldn't vote for a woman to be president even if he agreed with their policies if they are married or some shit like that. And then the OP said that is sexist. Next thing ya know we're here. I need a drink

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Anonymous #7 5w

i agree with you tbh. i’ve always grown up believing in God, but as i’ve become a woman, the things put in place by patriarchy become increasingly nonsensical to me. while i love the church, i can’t excuse the way women are treated like second class citizens. i believe a lot of young people feel disillusioned by its inability to accept its own wrongdoings and shortcomings humbly. it’s hard to have faith when institutions act alienating. i’m always gonna love God but im not sure God is a He

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Anonymous #1 5w

basically? misogyny 💔🥀 as expected

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Anonymous OP 5w

And thats one of life's greatest mysteries. Have you heard of the theory that God is an octopus? (Dont smite me Im just making conversation)

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Anonymous #7 5w

my catholic friend says yes she’s heard that one lol

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Anonymous #5 5w

loves it tbh

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Anonymous #7 5w

i’m thinking maybe grapes of wrath and julian of norwich and white lotus season 3 had it right and we’re all just parts of the same collective soul and God is trying really hard to get us all back together

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Anonymous OP 5w

In that case we might need some more tape and flexseal

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Anonymous #7 5w

i like you

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Anonymous #7 5w

Bruh

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