I’m a stem major I follow statistics

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Anonymous #1 5w

Statistics show that the most successful nations have the most female leaders

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There’s always outliers

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Well you always see how men are expected to carry emotional burdens both self and those of others without breaking down and to rally and uplift their peers and take charge of situations especially those that are stressful. We are expected to stay calm too in more scenarios than women as well (obviously not always the case).It’s not something that women can’t do but it is not expected of women in order to be womanly but in our society it’s expected of a man in order for him to be considered manly

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Anonymous #6 5w

The man’s responsibility is to check on the problem, but who told him to do that? Usually the wife, who’s typically the leader of the household even if the husband is doing the providing

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Anonymous #6 5w

Men might be trusted to do the dangerous stuff, but we trust women to lead and manage a household and raise the next generation of leaders

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Anonymous #5 5w

No, it’s expected of the man and the man’s an idiot if he doesn’t

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I’m aware that the statistic has it’s redundancies I’m not saying men are natural born leaders and women aren’t or vice versa

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Anonymous #6 5w

Whose expectation is it tho? The wife’s aka usually the head of the household

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I don’t believe it’s a natural born trait it’s a learned behavior but stats are stats and all statistics have outliers

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Anonymous #5 5w

Wait, if the husband is doing the providing without having the authority, how is that an equal arrangement?

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Anonymous #5 5w

It’s societies expectation and the man’s own responsibility as a man to protect those weaker than them, not singularly the wife’s

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I’m stating that anecdotes are not comparable to the actual leadership ratio throughout history

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I’ve seen women rip each other apart far more than any men

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Anonymous #6 5w

And it’s societies expectation of women that we will manage the household and raise our future leaders to be good people

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Anonymous #6 5w

Men literally fight wars with other men what

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Anonymous #5 5w

Wars started by men in places of power, the men who fight in those wars aren’t ever the ones that started it. You do realize that right?

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Anonymous #1 5w

An the actual leadership ratio is meaningless considering EVERYTHING IS SHIT

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Anonymous #6 5w

Every war a man has ever fought in was started by men, yet you trust these same men to lead us into a peaful future? It’s idiotic

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Anonymous #5 5w

1. Women leaders have started wars 2. If you believe there wouldn’t be wars just because world leaders were women then you’re ignorant

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That doesn’t refute any of what I responded to with no. 5 about “every war a man has fought in was started by men”

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No shit I know that info, but what 5 said was that EVERY war a man has fought in was started by men, when in reality there have been wars started by women and you and I know it’s a god damned fact hat there would still be wars even if all world leaders were women cause there are people that are destructive and greedy and that it’s not a male or female trait and that power corrupts

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Anonymous #5 5w

Not to say either sex is inanely better at leading, it’s learned

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Cool

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Anonymous #6 5w

My original point from the start btw was that men are expected to be leaders by societal standards and that women aren’t as pushed to be or expected to be and I in no way meant that they couldn’t be

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Yeah, I never agreed it was biological

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To jump in here Why don’t we define leadership: it’s the action of leading a group of people or organization. Good leaders would therefore be people who are easy to follow i.e. people who are less able to be affected by problems. For an example, if you were exploring the Amazon Rainforest, you’d want to follow a guide that seemed strong, self-assured, and emotionally balanced.

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Anonymous #10 5w

The statistics show that those traits that define a good leader - a good leader in the real sense where things are at stake, not so much a peacetime leader - are more prominent in men. It would be foolish to say there were no women who possessed these traits, just as it would be foolish to say there aren’t women who are good leaders today. But it’s clear that if you were filtering for leadership traits among a random population, you would come up with a lot more men than women.

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Anonymous #10 5w

Men admire good leaders, and women are attracted to them. It’s not an accident. Women are drawn more to good leaders because they are often more even keeled and confident even when things are going wrong. Women are more affected by negative emotion than men and they’re also more likely to be anxious or insecure or sensitive to their self-image etc.

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Anonymous #10 5w

Emotional intelligence, which women are better at showing, isn’t as crucial to good leadership as clear headed rationality. BUT emotional intelligence is invaluable for nurturing those being led. The fact that women are also more vulnerable than men when pregnant puts the onus on men to be protective of women. This is less obvious today since our society is sheltered, but in less developed areas, it’s not arguable.

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Anonymous #10 5w

Most of the situations where good leadership is necessary also involve conflict and calm within a storm of events and emotions. In the end, we’re complimentary sexes, and we need men and women both to work to our strengths. My hot take here is i don’t think women WANT to be leaders on any large scale. What some women want is the power that comes with leadership, but not the hard decisions. What I see women wanting is BETTER male leaders. Not necessary to take up the mantle themselves.

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Anonymous #10 5w

Anyone are free to prove my hot take wrong, but I’ll take empirical evidence over people saying “the right thing”. The right thing would be ”of course, women want to be leaders just as much as men” because that seems to be equal but it just makes everyone sadder. I’ll believe it when I see a revolution of women overwhelmingly desiring partners who they have to lead and relationships where they make the crucial decisions. Where straight women tell their men what to do in challenging situations

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Anonymous #10 5w

In a car accident, anyone would be grateful for a person who takes charge and works on making everything better immediately. You’d want someone who appears less affected by the accident, even if it’s understandable to be devastated. And if your preferred mode of expression is having a little cry or allowing yourself to panic a little before fixing the problem, it’s easier to do so when your ‘co-accidentee’ doesn’t have those requirements. I think I’ve gone on enough about what I think

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Anonymous #10 5w

Note: All instances of “men” and “women” used in all posts by #10 are assumed to be averages and majorities and they do not account for outliers.

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Anonymous #12 5w

What I’ve found doing a historic study of this going as far back as the written word records conflict, strife, and handling “chaotic” situations. Grown men have always been the first to be sacrificed to protect a society because if you lose the women/children, you lose the future of that society. So over time men survive those life or death situations, or die, thus creating a funnel for risk management in crisis with first hand experience. But that cannot be gained unless the individual 2/2-

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Anonymous #12 5w

3/3 (male individuals in for humans) gain that experience, and risk dying, over, and over, and over, again. The survivors gain a more accurate map of reality while shielding those they protect from the chaos of the world. So your boyfriend, while he doesn’t appear to be a “leader” would likely die in a crisis/conflict BUT he did descend from a bloodline of men who were survivors and champions. The males of this generation were just hypnotized by TV, movies, music, etc, into being obedient.

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Anonymous #12 5w

Also you don’t have a boyfriend, it sounds like you have a house pet right now. Set him free so he can go sharpen his teeth and become a man.

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I’m not saying women NEED to have a little cry, I’m more saying they likely prefer to - whereas men don’t. The phenomenon of men being in the lead is almost ubiquitous in human history, I don’t believe all of human history has been misogynistic. I’m not sure how society can be restructured to push women into leadership positions (assuming they want to be there) without neglecting children or giving them up completely

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I don’t understand what you mean by society not allowing it, since society is just us people. I don’t deny that some emotional intelligence is required for leadership, a general who leads his troops into battle has to stir them up and help them feel good. But he doesn’t necessarily talk through problems the same way a woman might. I also don’t imagine men have no emotional intelligence, I’m just saying that rationality takes the forefront in leadership

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Anecdotally, I just asked my girlfriend and she doesn’t think women want to be leaders on a large scale.

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Anonymous #5 5w

Who do you believe are some “emotionally intelligent” female leaders here in America? Genuine question.

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Anonymous #12 5w

America has no emotionally intelligent leaders

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Anonymous #2 5w

Observation of leadership in the public eye, largely true, very few emotionally intelligent leaders at all at the top of the government, corporate estate, even many religions. Mid level, some. It’s a very small minority. Largely male and “father” types. Emotionally intelligent mother types tend to manage a private estate knowing their children will be more emotionally involved if they are there to help them with the pressures of the world day to day rather than babysitting adults.

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Anonymous #12 5w

Evolved* I’m actually glad you said that because now that I think about it, the more emotionality intelligent a person is, the less I’ve seen them behind a camera or podium. But the father/mother type observation was later grounded in a study that found upon having children people have to think ahead 20+ years so, they don’t stir in the “in moment” emotion, and lead the room towards better outcomes long term.

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Anonymous vangogh 5w

Are the stats AI generated because I have never seen a female leader in any organization I’ve ever worked (and I’ve worked in a few big ones before Auburn) that both the men and women of that organization wouldn’t have rather had a man leading it. Which again, later a study comes up, and its employees rating bosses, and even women in that study would rather work for a man than another woman due to the “queen bee” dilemma.

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Anonymous #12 5w

I mean I’m biased but I love Gretchen whitmer and she has shown a lot of emotional intelligence throughout the years whether it’s speaking on the Oxford shooting or discussing her own experiences with SA during that senate speech. Most politicians do suck but I have a soft spot for big gretch

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Anonymous #5 5w

I mean this sincerely as someone who views you as my sister through Jesus. Don’t let that woman lead you to get coffee. She exhibits the behavioral patterns of a psychopath aligned with pride. Very good at mimicking human emotion to elicit a desired response, not great at follow through. Clearly an intelligent person, but not wise. Many politicians fit this profile regardless of party affiliation.

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Anonymous #12 5w

Lmao what leads you to believe she’s a “psychopath”

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