Anonymous #2 19h

this is just not true lol

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Anonymous OP 19h

Explain

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Anonymous #2 18h

this notion that "Chad" gets all the girls bc he's physically attractive is technically true but the girls he gets aren't the type of girls you would want to be with anyway. its the clout chasers, OF girls, vapid shallow women. dating for regular women is just as hard as it is for regular men.

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Anonymous OP 18h

You’re not totally wrong and I was using the Chad terminology slightly ironically. Point being many average and certainly below average men feel invisible, and there’s constant discourse about ways to not approach women that are seemingly acceptable for better looking guys to do and statistics on dating apps. If you’re not visually gifted it’s hard to get your foot in the door anywhere, and the rates of mid 20’s guys who have never dated, still virgins etc is like crazy high

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Anonymous OP 18h

I’m not an incel or subscribe to these beliefs and this isn’t my experience but I do acknowledge dating is very hard atm and I’m sympathetic

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Anonymous OP 17h

That last statement is just blatantly false. The average woman is seen as a 7 or 8 in the man’s eye and the average man is seen as a 4 or 5 in the woman’s eye. You’re right about the first part but the incels who are deep in the spiral don’t rlly care bc their logic is that having an undesirable woman is still better than having no woman

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Anonymous freestyle 17h

Sorry if I’m slow but doesn’t that conform exactly to what I’m saying

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Anonymous freestyle 17h

They’re so starved that anything seems good to them. It’s like being stranded in the Sahara desert and seeing a bottle of expired milk and drinking it because it’s better than nothing at all. The only difference is that they put themselves in that position in the first place

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Anonymous freestyle 17h

Yeah I agree. That was my point of my original comment. It’s better to try. Maintaining the bitter version of that does nothing but make you repellant to women. It’s significantly their own doing

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Anonymous freestyle 15h

Well dating goes beyond attraction. Even tho the average women is seen by a 7 or 8, doesn't mean that the man whose attracted to her is a good man. Women might have more quantity but its hard to find men of quality.

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Anonymous #2 14h

Are you saying that I’m the incel or I’m proving you right on incels?

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Anonymous OP 14h

“Men of quality” is generally a higher standard than it used to be. Most women aren’t shitty people and most men aren’t shitty people and that’s just common sense. You can find a good man off the street but the line between doing the bare minimum and overperforming has become blurred so when you’re referring to good men, the majority of good men that actually get noticed are the ones that are overly attractive as opposed to women where the general majority

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Anonymous freestyle 14h

Are seen as good women. Now, this is excluding the incels and nice guys, because if you’re expecting sex or other things in return for you being a decent human being, you’re just an asshole. When I say good men, I’m not including the men who do good things and expect good things in return and blame women when that doesn’t happen

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Anonymous freestyle 14h

I’m going to disagree with you on this one actually. Most men and women are good people. But being good person is not what it takes to be in a relationship. My ex boyfriend was a good person. That doesn’t mean he was capable of being in a relationship that would actually work in anyway. I don’t think the standards are higher for most people. I think it’s more vocal. It’s not the majority of women who care if a guy is 6+ feet. And it’s not the majority of men who care about a woman being 120

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Anonymous freestyle 13h

what would you consider be overperforming vs the bare minimum?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 9h

I mostly agree with this but I do think that there is a general standard that men have and one that women have. It may not be physical attraction related but it exists

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