Anonymous #1 9w

I am a woman and my boyfriend is short and chubby. I love him. He isn’t lean/toned, he doesn’t have fluffy hair, or a chiseled jawline and he definitely isn’t tall. He is an amazing person, respects my boundaries, is great at communication, and definitely makes me feel loved

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Anonymous #2 9w

That’s cool but you’re the minority

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Anonymous #1 9w

Fair but what I’m saying is some women still want that. I don’t want “the perfect guy” I want my boyfriend. Don’t sell yourself short you’re someone’s type

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Anonymous #5 9w

(Dw even though I didn’t ask for a sexual relationship, the women did ask for consent)

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Anonymous #5 9w

I’ve come to learn that really all the guys women have shown me that they didn’t find attractive at all also had god awful personalities (mostly creepy, didn’t care about themselves, didn’t care about her feelings, or spent too much time complaining)

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Anonymous #6 9w

I like Jack Black as much as the next guy, but he’s the definition of jestermaxxing. If he was quiet and had a normal job, he wouldn’t be nearly as attractive as he is now. meanwhile clav is awkward as fuck yet has a massive backlog of women actively trying to get the chance to fuck him because he looks good

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Anonymous #6 9w

It’s much easier for a regular guy to looksmaxx than to become an iconic multimillionaire Hollywood actor/comedian/musician

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Anonymous #5 9w

Maybe that’s the case, but it’s not like women never date guys who are creepy and don’t care about themselves or their feelings. What do you think determines whether a guy like that gets laid? Bc clearly some do.

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Anonymous #1 9w

she's not the minority. YOU are in a minority of men with incel-adjacent beliefs who manufacture the most delusional perspectives on the world to rationalize their dead love life

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Anonymous #1 9w

the majority of women date average men. the majority of men date average women. the average man is not very tall, not very handsome, not very fit, and fairly poor. similar for women. you have a biased and deeply self conscious perspective on the matter

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Anonymous #1 9w

your lack of self-love combined with deep insecurity is the biggest hindrance to your romantic life, not being an average looking dude (which you almost certainly are) but that would place the onus on you and not all the women of the world who won't date or fuck or suck you... and we can't have you taking any responsibility now can we?!

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Anonymous #7 9w

Over half of american high school seniors no longer go on dates

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Anonymous #6 9w

The same reason men end up with bad women who are attractive— society literally engrained in them the idea of what a man should be and how he should treat her. Instead of blaming the symptom of the problem (women dating bad men), blame the problem itself (sexualization young girls, many people in govt/power being seasoned rxpists, men abusing women from a young age, women being sexually and body shamed…). What you really hate is the men on top who built this all!

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Anonymous #5 9w

And a man with a bad woman? It’s cuz he was taught that consent was optional, that if she gave him attention, he’s “lucky,” that he can’t say no…

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Anonymous OP 9w

Attacking clav for his looks proves his point lmao

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Anonymous #5 9w

I don’t hate anyone. Don’t put words in my mouth.

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Anonymous #5 9w

I said no and she continued anyway.

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Anonymous #6 9w

the fact that u watch clavicular and take him and all of the looksmaxxer shit seriously is the reason why women aren’t very attracted to u

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Anonymous #1 9w

She's definitely not in a minority. Statistically speaking most people are average in most regards and will date other people who are average in most regards. The average man (especially in the US) is none of the things you described yet will have success romantically and sexually

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Anonymous #9 9w

I don’t actually watch him, but I had a feeling you’d say that. Seems like you guys are willing to make any assumption you need to make in order to avoid admitting you might be wrong about this.

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Anonymous #10 9w

That used to be the case, but dating apps have opened the market so significantly that there’s no longer any structural incentive for the average woman to “settle” for the average guy.

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Anonymous #6 9w

so you admittedly haven't watched the content you're claiming disproves this, making your initial claim based in - at best - secondhand anecdotes and biased assumptions. thanks for your honesty

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Anonymous #7 9w

I’ve seen a handful of clips on my twitter feed, including one recently where he kicked a girl out for trying to make him jealous, and then told his producers to “bring in another one”. I don’t think any part of that is good for society, obviously, but the fact he can get away with it says a lot.

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Anonymous #6 9w

He looks fine, i'm just saying im personally not attracted to him.

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Anonymous #1 9w

My bf is also chubby & shorter. (he's taller than me but short for a man) He doesn't have a perfect physique or symmetrical face and jawline. He is an incredible person who listens to me, respects me and loves me for who i am. I genuinely can't imagine being with someone else.

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Anonymous #11 9w

I'm just not attracted to him. While he allegedly has a nice personality as opposed to Clavicular but thats why i gave both of them as an example. To show that i'm not attracted to that sort of look no matter what their personality is like. It doesn't mean he's ugly i understand he's attractive im just not attracted to him.

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Anonymous #6 9w

the women trying to fuck clav are equally as bad as him. they are only doing it to clout chase and are probably gold diggers or something. this was literally explained to u by #5

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Anonymous #6 9w

I didn't say they had to be? Fame is not what makes Jack Black attractive. What the movie The Hoilday. He literally plays a regular dude with a regular job and woos Kate Winslet... bc he's an attractive guy!

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Anonymous OP 9w

He woos Kate Winslet because it’s a fucking movie and not real life😭

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Anonymous #8 9w

If presented to leave my boyfriend for Henry Cavill i would decline

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Anonymous OP 9w

Alright but if you were single and Henry Cavill asked you out you would say yes

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Anonymous #6 9w

gotcha. your engagement with the content you claimed disproves op's claim is watching clips from a person who admittedly farms dishonest, out-of-context, contentious clips for clicks and views and says he'll say/do whatever and support whoever gets him paid best. i've at least watched interviews and notable stream segments

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Anonymous #4 9w

I mean I like cavil cuz he’s a nerd

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Anonymous #8 9w

No i wouldn't. Jack Black asked me out tho i would say yes. Why is it so hard to comprehend im not attracted to Henry Cavill lol

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Anonymous #8 9w

and because he's genuinely really attractive in it??

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Anonymous #6 9w

u used the term “jestermaxxing” unironically. tells me enough, even if u don’t actually watch him directly

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Anonymous #8 9w

they wouldn't have cast him if he wasn't. jude law literally plays the other love interest. if thats all that women were attracted to then they would've cast another type like that. yet they didn't

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Anonymous #7 9w

63% of men under 30 and 34% of women under 30 are single

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Anonymous #9 9w

right, I’m sure my use of a colloquialism invented within the last 3 years is the reason I haven’t had my first kiss.

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Anonymous #10 9w

63% of men under 30 and 34% of women under 30 are single

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Anonymous #8 9w

I also couldn't ever date a brit. i'm a cold blooded american

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Anonymous #7 9w

I don’t actively follow him. Am I at fault for simply “engaging” (viewing, not even interacting) with the content at all?

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Anonymous #6 9w

“If he was quiet and had a a normal job”. Part of what makes him attractive is that he is loud. Tenacious D is so fun to listen to and it’s just friends fucking around

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Anonymous OP 9w

It’s a movie dawg

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Anonymous OP 9w

Even without fame, Jack Black has a literal 1 in-a-billion personality. 99.999% of guys who are as attractive as Jack Black are not nearly as funny, confident, or talented.

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Anonymous #6 9w

i didn't have my first kiss until 2025. I was 22. im just now in my first relationship.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Good for you, I hope to be as lucky as you are. I have no indication that things will get better for me in that area anytime soon, though.

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Anonymous #6 9w

your perception is flawed and inaccurate; warped by the internet. these clout goblins are selling men snake oil and poison; telling them it's the cure so when they inevitably end up without success they come back looking for more. they have no incentive to give men good advice; and many incentives to make them isolated, angry, self conscious and socially maladapted so they seek more of their content

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Anonymous #7 9w

you are confusing the blackpill for the redpill. The blackpill is a doctrine of despair, the redpill movement is what encompasses the exploitation you’re referring to.

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Anonymous #6 9w

the average woman quite literally does settle for the average man and vice versa

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Anonymous #6 9w

bestie go to literally any high school or college theatre and you'll find at least three Jack Blacks

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Anonymous OP 9w

Sure, they’re as bad. Guys like clavicular have just decided it’s a better option than being alone forever.

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Anonymous #6 9w

i am unfortunately very aware of the distinction. you pointing out the distinction is not an argument. both the black/red pills are rooted in the same fundamental misconceptions and mistruths, with different responses

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Anonymous #7 9w

so then the guys being passed up by the average woman must be below average, right?

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Anonymous #2 9w

almost every guy that looks like Jack Black is quiet and has a normal job

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Anonymous #2 9w

I speak from experience.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I know, I was one of them. Still no luck in the dating department.

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Anonymous #6 9w

he's just a theatre kid

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Anonymous #6 9w

But Clavicular won’t say what he does all this for. He says “if you’re more attractive people treat you better” but then get used and manipulated by people more popular. He’s doing drugs, his health is declining, he looks worse. He’s killing himself faster. And for what? Some attention from shallow people? He says looksmaxxing isn’t redpilled and then doesn’t understand the origins of it shaming women. Most women don’t enjoy that and the ones that do aren’t great people

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Anonymous OP 9w

So was I

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Anonymous #6 9w

So was I. My boyfriend and I did theatre. My favorite was Something Rotten

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Anonymous #6 9w

maybe they will if you stop consuming far right incel content and listen to what both men and women are telling you on this post. if you are gonna believe ppl on the internet why not ppl sharing their actual experiences with u?

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Anonymous #6 9w

not necessarily. they could be well above average, well below, or right there. you need to remember that the rest of us are not bound by the foolish assumption that appearances are the ultimate factor in one's chances at a date. when you frame it to the exclusion of all other factors it only highlights the deeply reductive (and insecure) basis for your beliefs. it's childish. it's juvenile.

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’ve already said that I don’t think what he’s doing is good for society or for himself. He’s a tragic figure, if you ask me. The tragedy is that he wasn’t able to find love as a normal, awkward guy, and that he ultimately won’t find it as a handsome “chad” either.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Because none of what’s been said seems to line up with my own experiences.

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Anonymous #6 9w

He started doing testosterone as a child. He never had time to really become himself. Maybe he would be more attractive if he let his brain develop before injecting his body with meth to “lose weight”. It’s a shame what happened to him but the internet convinced him it was good. All the “glow ups” are often teenage boys growing up. The internet often divides people. I do think it’s weird to tell women what their type is as you don’t know

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Anonymous #6 9w

Unfortunately your perspective is biased as everyone’s is. You compare these things to your reality because that’s what you know best. That isn’t bad it just means it’s hard for you to see outside the scope of your life

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’m not at all saying women universally behave the same way, that obviously isn’t true. I don’t know the type of every woman I’ve met, but I do know it’s not me.

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Nice. My teacher hated me because my mom and her were enemies in high school so I never got a lead unfortunately

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Anonymous #2 9w

Dang, they don’t call it “drama” for nothing ig

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Anonymous #6 9w

I definitely don’t know the type of every man I know. Going “what’s your type” to people doesn’t really flow in conversation. Plus you may have bias with that as well as you simply can’t know the type of every woman you have met. A cashier? A mom walking on the sidewalk? That one childhood friend you haven’t talked to since 5th grade?

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I haven’t said anything substantial? Then feel free to ignore or block me. I am sorry it wasn’t up to your standards. Anything I could improve in the future?

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Anonymous #6 9w

i swear if i could post a pic of me and my bf u would see we r both pretty average looking ppl

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Anonymous #2 9w

Yeah, my statement was imprecise, but you get the idea. Obviously this is just based on the information I have, but the information I have is pretty bleak ngl

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Also that “same comment” thing was not directed at you at all. It was at the guy that posted the same statistic

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Anonymous #6 9w

he wasn't a normal awkward guy.. HE WAS A CHILD. im pretty sure he's what 20 years old?

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Anonymous #2 9w

ohhh my bad! sometimes the icons are a similar color - i didn't read the numbers 😂 i thought you were #6 being snarky

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Anonymous #7 9w

lol all good

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Anonymous #6 9w

I’m sorry that your life hasn’t been kind to in the love department. You seem like an interesting guy even if I don’t agree with you on points. I hope things work out for you

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Anonymous #2 9w

❤️ i just deleted it to avoid confusion

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Anonymous #6 9w

Also 5 is blocked for me so that’s a great sign and you want to ignore them

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i feel like ik who u are now...

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Anonymous OP 9w

More lies for Karma🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous OP 9w

From here, or irl?

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Anonymous OP 9w

btw, the only reason ik so much ab this stuff is bc I literally wrote an article on it *last night* for a writing contest lol

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Anonymous #8 9w

Who are you to tell this person what choice she would make? That’s weird. I don’t tell you what your type is

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Anonymous #2 9w

She would make the same choice every single straight woman would make dawg😭 not too hard to comprehend

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Anonymous OP 9w

Also I don’t make a habit of “consuming far right incel content”, sometimes people I follow just quote repost it to give their take (often arguing against it or generally disapproving)

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Anonymous #8 9w

So now you speak for all women? Wild. You don’t speak for me. I don’t want to date Henry Cavil at all. Not interested

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Anonymous #2 9w

And the other thing is you don’t have to tell the truth for me to be right, or for you to know I’m right. You can lie as much as you want, in the end we both know I’m right and you’re denying it because it makes you uncomfortable🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #8 9w

it does nobody any good to withhold the benefit of the doubt

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Anonymous OP 9w

This is making me anxious highkey

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Anonymous #8 9w

I would never date a celebrity at all. That lifestyle is not one that matches with mine. If everyone disagreeing with you is “lying” then you will never be able to see truth. I cannot have a good faith discussion with someone who thinks me giving my opinion is me lying. You don’t speak for me and you don’t speak for women. My choice is my own

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Anonymous OP 9w

and #2 blocked me? idk why

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Anonymous #6 9w

I didn’t?

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Anonymous #2 9w

Whatever you say🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #12 9w

🫵💀

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Anonymous #6 9w

I wouldn’t block someone who wants to have an honest discussion

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Anonymous #2 9w

Sorry, I thought you did cause I didn’t see your comments for a bit. I think it was a glitch

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Anonymous #2 9w

Thank you, I think we got off on the wrong foot. I’m probably being more pessimistic than I should. In truth, there have been a couple times that women have had a crush on me, but they never told me until after it wouldn’t work out anymore (bc of distance/current relationship).

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Anonymous #7 9w

Do you have any proof for that? My experiences don’t lie. What I have seen both irl and online don’t lie. If telling the truth makes me an incel, then fuck it I make Andrew Tate look like a feminist

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Anonymous #2 9w

Stats don’t lie

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Anonymous #1 9w

Don’t even bother with these people dawg they’ll lie and lie and lie just to look good to other women, none of it is real and you and I both know it

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Anonymous #8 9w

Crazy that you believe your own idea of what women want over what women are actually telling you

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Anonymous #2 9w

When women tell you the exact opposite of your lived experience and the lived experience of all the men in your life it becomes genuinely impossible to take what they say seriously. I know that’s not exactly a concept you can wrap your head around but that’s just how it is.

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Anonymous #2 9w

in fairness, those same women completely ignore all the men reporting that their lack of romantic success is most likely attributable to being unlucky or physically unattractive, instead opting to assume a man’s lack of romantic success is evidence that he is morally and socially repulsive.

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Anonymous #2 9w

U just proved his point 😂

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Anonymous #6 9w

I absolutely don’t ignore those guys. If everyone who is dating is a horrible person that would be a disaster. But it isn’t. What irritates me is men thinking they know women more than they do. I would never say I know a guy’s type more than them because that would be rude and wrong. When I give my opinion though I am called a liar. I cannot have a good faith conversation with someone who believes I lie with every word I say. It’s just sucky

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Anonymous #6 9w

What happens from my perspective is I tell people I don’t like conventionally attractive people and actually love a guy because of who he is. I am told by guys that I am lying, I would break up with him for someone else, and that there is no hope. When I tell them there is hope and trying to help I am once again told that I am lying. Now I feel like they are right there isn’t hope for them because they are acting like assholes. I wouldn’t date anyone like them because they are rude not looks

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Anonymous #1 9w

proof for what? my last claim was that the men that average women reject may be below, at, or above average. do i need proof for that? if not, be specific, as it's been a long discussion

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Anonymous #2 9w

Is it okay if I DM you a link to the article I wrote about this? It might give you some insight into why those guys have that reaction.

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Anonymous #6 9w

Sure

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Anonymous #8 9w

you mean when women have lived experiences that differ from yours you label them liars for other women's approval instead of just accepting that your personal anecdotes are not universal

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Anonymous #8 9w

it's funny in a sorta morbid way to see men telling women they're lying about preferring personality. like when you know it's blatantly false (because you see at-or-below average men of all backgrounds in loving marriages, with families, dating) it becomes so obvious that some of you are so desperate to alleviate the emotional and social pressure to get play that you'll shoot yourself in the foot by being accusatory and antagonistic towards women

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Anonymous #6 9w

And yet average guys (even creeps) still end up finding women. So obviously it’s not like no one is having success

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Anonymous #6 9w

Because they are socially repulsive😂 men never want to look inwards. Try going to therapy. More women will talk to you after that. Seriously!

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Anonymous #6 9w

You weren’t even on this forum when I wrote that. Don’t be soo sensitive.

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Anonymous #5 9w

Crazy timing, I just finished an intake call

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Anonymous #5 9w

What?

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Anonymous #6 9w

Ok now your just making shit up. You were just complaining about not getting play and now ur saying a woman SAd you. Wtf. Normally I believe victims but men who complain about not getting play are nearly never also victims of women who couldn’t control themselves. Don’t fucking screw over victims like that.

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Anonymous #6 9w

Aka I couldn’t be putting words into your mouth. I wasn’t even talking to you

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Anonymous #7 9w

The happy couple is the minority now though. Relationships, dating, marriage are all on the decline in our generation. Attractive guys are treated way better than unattractive guys when dating

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Anonymous #5 9w

but seriously though, you don’t know anything about me, but you’re so quick to judge my character

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Anonymous #13 9w

marriage rates are in decline... but so are divorced rates. that's because fewer people jump the gun on weak relationships. that's a GOOD thing buddy

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Anonymous #6 9w

#5: "[men are not having success] because they are socially repulsive 😂 men never want to look inward" you: you dont know anything about me 😒

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Anonymous #7 9w

Really only in marriages and with kids because at-or-below average men aren’t getting anything anymore

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Anonymous #5 9w

also that’s a terrible reason to go to therapy

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Anonymous #7 9w

yeah man we all just read that interaction, no need for the instant replay

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Anonymous #8 9w

Why would i lie?? shall i go into more details ?? I said i don't want to date a brit. He is very nerdy yes but I am not so we wouldn't have anything in common. he's also way too tall for me. i'm pretty short and don't like guys over 5'10. i also wouldn't really wanna date an actor or someone famous bc i don't want to have to deal with fans thirsting after him.

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Anonymous #14 9w

i feel like they look the same no? it was more so to represent the "chad" archetype

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Anonymous #2 9w

One example doesn’t change the majority

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Anonymous OP 9w

Get this guys! She’s “not into tall guys” either! LMAOOOOO💀💀😭

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Anonymous #8 9w

yeah a tall guy assaulted me and now I don't feel safe around them! im so not like other girls 🤪

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Anonymous OP 9w

One tall guy assaulted you so now you magically are the only woman on the face of the earth that doesn’t like tall guys. JK Rowling tells better stories than you.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Eww you are insufferable. I think every woman and half the men know why you are single (hint: it has nothing to do with physical appearance)

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Anonymous #8 9w

im definitely not the only women but to educate you, its called a trauma response!! you should do some additional research into what that means!!

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Anonymous #8 9w

By your logic should I assume all men everywhere must only like short women who have blonde hair, blue eyes and big boobs and butt?? beautiful women without those features like Bella Hadid or Zendaya, Megan Fox just aren't anyones type and insanely unattractive right?? Since all women everywhere wants to date Henry Cavill

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Anonymous #5 9w

did u mean to respond to me or #8?

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Anonymous OP 9w

No because unlike women men are actually capable of having different tastes

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Anonymous #8 9w

why do you think that women aren't having different taste 😭

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Anonymous OP 9w

aren't capable of having different taste?

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Anonymous #8 9w

not gonna repeat myself

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Anonymous #12 9w

in what way😭

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