Gender exists for a reason.

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Scientists focus on facts and logic. Not personal feelings.

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Anonymous #1 11w

So the lives of trans people or people who struggle with their gender identity just are "pointless" they don't deserve empathy?? are you serious?? you don't have to understand something to still be able to treat them with respect and kindness

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Anonymous #3 11w

Masculinity isn't exclusive to men who were born as men, and upholding it certainly shouldn't be constraining?? What do you mean it's a survival instinct?? If you're talking about how men who express femininity are deemed as less masculine then that's a exactly the problem. Masculinity can't be defined bu arbitrary traits

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Anonymous #5 11w

An overgeneralization, but you’re not too far off.

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Anonymous #5 11w

this is just so incorrect on so many levels. i don't even know where to begin

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Anonymous #2 11w

I don't understand that. They are still people

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Anonymous OP 11w

Yes it’s an overgeneralization but there’s plenty of truth to it

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Anonymous OP 11w

Arbitrary?

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Anonymous #3 11w

yes things like and example would be something like painting your nails. if a person who identifies as a man decides to paint his nails, that wouldn't make him less masculine. even though painted nails is commonly associated with women.

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

Is it social conformity? Or is it just treating other human beings with respect and empathy? I honestly don't expect everyone to understand the complexity of gender identity. I actually think it's on a similar scale to how white people will never fully understand what it's like to be black. ( I'm black before you ask) however that isn't justification to be unfair and bigoted. Especially if you don't try to understand.

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Anonymous #5 11w

that wouldn't even explain the bigotry though, like you can be a conservative and not be a bigot. i asked why man are transphobic, unless you are saying that all conservative ppl are also bigots and they go hand in handV

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Anonymous OP 11w

It's social conformity For basically all of US history until relatively recently, the personal opinions of men were generally far more "progressive" than women who were more "conservative" because women tend to seek conformity and until recently it was traditionalism which dominated social interactions.

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Thank you for giving me an actual answer and not just spewing right wing rhetoric. I understand on some level being uncomfortable with what you don't understand. What I don't get though is why that results in forcing their ideals and beliefs upon everyone else and/or actively treating people who are different than them without respect or kindness. That I think is just inhumane.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Also before you continue to """debate""" the men here, you aught to set forth some definitions of "transphobia", "bigotry", etc so that less people get confused in subjective interpretation.

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Anonymous OP 11w

It's not more of a "real answer" than any of these other responses, it's just the one you already agreed with

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

i'm sorry maybe i'm misunderstanding. I'm talking about transphobia and the strict view of gender as a whole that a lot of men have. You answered the second part of the question but not the first. Why does the fact that you as a individual have this view on gender gives you the right to force it upon others? To clarify i'm not saying you specifically are forcing it but more so in general sense on why men view specifically people who don't fit into traditionalism with no respect or kindness?

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

The other responses including yours don't answer the full question.

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Do you consider yourself morally superior to your ancestors?

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

That's actually insane that bigotry isn't clear to you. The first comment stating "if you're born a dude, then you're a dude" is just straight up invalidation of gender identity. You can't tell someone how they identify, you're not them and if they happen to be born as male but don't identify with that gender then saying they are is disrespectful and hurtful.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I'll answer the first part if you can give me a (reasonably) comprehensive definition of transphobia

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Anonymous OP 11w

Comment #3, is ignoring my questions but their original comment implied that masculinity is survival instinct and my interpretation of that is they are properly the type of person to make fun of or consider other men who don't fit into the traditional view of masculinity as less of a man. Especially bc he downvoted my example of man painting his nails bc in my opinion that has not to do with masculinity. Neither does clothing, interest, sexual orientation or anything arbitrary like that.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Which is not only transphobic but homophobic as well.

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Anonymous OP 11w

probably*

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

Transphobia is the fear, hatred, disbelief, or aversion toward transgender people, gender nonconformity, or gender identity that does not align with a person's sex assigned at birth. It is a form of prejudice and bigotry rooted in the societal belief that gender is strictly binary (male and female) and that one's gender must match their sex at birth.

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Anonymous OP 11w

My interpretation of your original comment to me means that you believe all transgender people, genderfluid , and other people who don't identify with their assigned sex at birth are conforming to social pressure to fit with a certain belief system, that system being that gender isn't a binary construct . It's transphobic because it's dismissive of the real struggles of gender non conforming people.

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Anonymous OP 11w

That's a very broad definition if you are lumping in those who just disagree with the notion of gender outside of the binary with people with actual malice. I can't give you a straight answer if i don't know what as specific attitude men generally have towards transgenderidm that you want explanation for.

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Anonymous #7 11w

I think some men (women sometimes too) though, struggle to understand why someone would transition to a gender they subconsciously (or consciously) see as lesser (being FTM trans)

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Anonymous OP 11w

What i was saying is that women are more likely to submit to social pressures to agree with the tenants of transgenderism, not specifically those who identify as trans themselves as that has a slightly different set of causes

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Anonymous #7 11w

But I also think that (cis)women have the privilege in a patriarchy to not be rigid in how they express themselves, leading to more openness to how others do so.

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

So people who disagrees are just as transphobic as people with actual malice. Especially if they don't respect pronouns, and/or are exclusive and dismissive of gender nonconformity all together. I feel like if it helps you can start with the transphobia within this post? Why do you believe that acceptance of gender non comforminity is from social pressure?

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

so having empathy and compassion for transgender people submitting to social pressures? do you apply this idea to every minority? is not being racist submitting to social pressures? like what 😭

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Anonymous stanczyk 11w

I would actually argue that societal pressure, especially for FTM trans ppl, is to not accept them. Especially in the south, or in other countries.

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Anonymous #7 11w

But what do I know Im just a boy :P

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Anonymous #7 11w

*MTF

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Anonymous #7 11w

Holy shit you seem insufferable

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Anonymous #8 11w

So why do you think it's stupid?

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Anonymous #7 11w

I know many cis women that would disagree with you on that

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Anonymous OP 11w

Navel gazing about your “gender identity” is largely unproductive and pointless. Biological sex is immutable and “gender identity” is just your personality. It has nothing more to do with your sex than it does your eye color. People should just be who they are without unnecessary and often short-sighted medical interventions

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Anonymous #3 11w

I know many cis women too 😃Im not saying they are equal i am saying they are often homophobic is different ways

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Anonymous #7 11w

Or transphobic

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