Anonymous OP 2w

I wish more men would be willing to explain these concepts to other men because whenever I try having intellectual discussions in here I just get downvoted for being a woman

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Anonymous OP 2w

Are you able to acknowledge that there’s also a lot of ways our society advantages women over men?

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Anonymous #1 2w

I call out the weird people in there all the time too, deflecting doesn’t solve anything here

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Anonymous #2 2w

Yeah, in very few ways.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Most sex or gender based privilege is for males/men, factually, I’m sorry

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Anonymous OP 2w

Ain’t no one deflecting nothing you’re acting like only weird people are in here and not there

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Anonymous #1 2w

Clearly I’m not because I never said anything to imply that, and the comment you’re replying to even acknowledges that 💀

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Anonymous #1 2w

It does kill women pretty frequently, actually, it’s sad how little you care I hope someday you can mature into a man who is capable of having more intelligent conversations about our world and the society we live in, genuinely

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Anonymous OP 2w

I hope u grow up and realize the world has bigger issues than you worrying and complaining about other peoples privileges while ignoring the ones u have

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m assuming you’re a white woman living in America. If u stepped outside your bubble for one second you’d realize how good u have it compared to other people

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Anonymous #1 2w

Misogyny affects real people on a daily basis. The fact that you only see sexism as something that can be ignored only proves that women suffer from sexism more than men in our society, misogyny IS a big issue and you’re failing to realize that because you’re afraid of being grouped with oppressors. The same way white people don’t like to acknowledge that systemic racism exists

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m done trying to have thought out debates with someone who won’t even try to listen though

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Anonymous OP 2w

How so?

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Anonymous #4 2w

Sorry for wanting to actually be serious about something instead of denying truths about how our society operates and being nonchalant about everything

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Anonymous #6 2w

Yes, this discussion is purely about sexual discrimination and not intersectionality with other biases

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Anonymous #5 2w

It’s vague for a reason because many men here refuse to acknowledge the existence of a patriarchal society or misogyny in any context. This post is in response to a very general conversation about the existence of male privilege and me being told that women are actually the most privileged which is simply not true

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Anonymous #3 2w

This seems to be true so far

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Anonymous OP 2w

Apology accepted, don’t do it again

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Anonymous #4 2w

I’m glad I’ve moved past such a childish mindset as yours

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Anonymous OP 2w

Well there’s your problem. It’s comparing apples and hand-grenades. Men have it better in contexts most men don’t care about or appreciate. Women have it better in contexts we envy. Most men aren’t running for office, in the military, professional athletes, or competing for executive bigwig jobs (if you are, you’re right to see male privilege as the most important problem ever— for you). But conversely almost all men are (as the most obvious example) either dating, in a relationship, or giving u

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Anonymous OP 2w

But you can’t talk about one without discussing how they all interact

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Anonymous #5 2w

p on it. (Before you dismiss the importance of relationship dynamics- that’s kinda my point; you have the luxury of dismissing it because you can take it for granted). From there, male privilege looks like a very distant and minor problem compared to the reverse. It’s not really distant or minor; it’s just someone else’s. Since there ARE areas of male and female privilege, neither is blanketly or universally more privileged; its valid for your subjective priorities to affect how you keep score.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Women in America do better in school, make more money unless they choose to leave the work force to have kids, and live longer than men. They’re less likely to become homeless, less likely to be found guilty of a crime, and given shorter sentences for the same convictions. Men have higher workplace mortality rates, higher suicide rates, and are more likely to be victims of violent crimes. But I guess that’s very few ways.

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Anonymous OP 2w

You and I probably are imagining different types of “weird people” in ask women because I see no women arguing against misandrist posts there

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Anonymous #8 2w

Men have a substantial amount of privilege in most societies, cultures, and religions around the world, factually. True feminists are fighting for equality which includes correcting injustices that both women and men face, the women who shame men for the unique issues they face are misandrists not feminists. You also have to realize that women have largely been fighting for our own rights with little support from men throughout history, so obviously women will be focused on solving issues-

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Anonymous OP 2w

-that specifically and greatly impact women over anything else

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Anonymous #2 2w

I wonder how much of these can be related back to differences in life choices though. Men complain about violence stats but they’re the ones who are most violent towards both men and women statistically, their desire to act nonchalant and uncaring leads to fewer life opportunities and a greater chance of academic failure, they choose to go into dangerous “manly” fields of work etc

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Anonymous OP 2w

Some of the issues that are more specific to men that I’d personally like to see addressed are the draft (which isn’t currently in effect but it should be removed entirely), the practice of nonconsensual circumcision, and the low support/validation male victims of SA receive, which is unfortunately largely cultural and will need both men and women to work to change over time

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Anonymous OP 2w

Good points. But also you have to realize, that throughout history, if you were a poor/low status man, you absolutely had the least amount of privileges. I support abortion rights fully. It’s archaic to argue against them. People should fundamentally control their own bodies and no one else. But when I also talk about how I want the draft to end, because that is the government’s attempt to control young men’s bodies. There seems to be almost hostility towards that.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I also like want to express my frustrations and experiences without them being dismissed and being called privileged. It’s hard seeing other people validated and supported through their complaints and issues. I know it would not work out the same way for me. I understand what you’re saying and agree with you, but It’s also very frustrating for men

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Anonymous #8 2w

A poor woman would be below a poor man in the hierarchy. You can’t deny that men have always had privilege over women based on their sex, a poor man would still be a man meanwhile a poor single woman was seen as unclaimed property. The only thing beneath a poor woman would be something like a slave, and even in slavery the women were treated with more cruelty

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Anonymous #8 2w

You can be privileged and still have issues. I think that’s what a lot of men fail to realize during these conversations (even though I’ve said here multiple times that I’m not claiming men never struggle with anything or have their own unique issues).. overall, men are privileged over women based on their sex, that is a fact, regardless of whichever unique issues they face. White people are privileged over POC despite still facing issues, are they not?

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Anonymous OP 2w

Based on intersectionality, wealth/class, health (physical and mental) and geography are by far the biggest factors of privilege. I will admit, that generally men have privileges that put them a bit over women in most countries, but not to the degree these other categories do. So, when you call men privileged and ignore all other factors of privilege, it really rubs the wrong way and ultimately hurts more than it helps.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Being born with the wrong genitalia is not a life choice. The things you said seemed intended to minimize men’s issues here, and contained a level of gross misunderstandings

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Anonymous #8 2w

I literally described circumcision (at birth/childhood) as nonconsensual, you’re just putting words in my mouth lol

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Anonymous #8 2w

The conversation isn’t about intersectionality though. It seems many people in here are incapable of understanding that when it comes to sexual discrimination, we do live in a patriarchal society, and men are more privileged than men. Every single time this concept is brought up in here it’s always met with this response. What rubs me the wrong way is men being so unwilling to support women and acknowledge their privilege

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Anonymous OP 2w

Men are more privileged than women*

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Anonymous OP 2w

In the case of circumcision, you did, but the rest you essentially victim-blamed men for, like men being the victims of violent crimes is the result of their life choices

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Anonymous #5 2w

You can’t compare the systemic and societal struggles women have with the patriarchy and misogyny to men having dating struggles, as women also have dating struggles. Generally speaking, men are privileged based on their gender in our society and culture and around the world

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’ll ask again, can you give some examples of some of the societal struggles women are currently having with the patriarchy? Aside from abortion rights, because the majority of young men do agree with you on that.

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Anonymous #2 2w

I don’t think that’s true but yes abortion and access to reproductive healthcare are a huge issue right now, and there are pushes being made to start banning birth control. Many of us are denied hysterectomies because we don’t have male approval, and sometimes after birth women are given a “husband stitch” against her consent just for the sexual pleasure of her husband, which makes it painful for her. The medical industry and our government do not see women as anything more than incubators

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Anonymous OP 2w

There is also just an extreme lack of research into women’s health issues, we get our health issues overlooked and dismissed far more often than men, culturally speaking women are very frequently victims of sexual assault by men and struggle to find justice in courts, not taken seriously when they’re emotional while a man in the same situation would be, constantly objectified, stereotyped, etc

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Anonymous OP 2w

It is literally illegal to be denied based on not having male approval, or to perform something on you against your consent. You can sue them for that

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Anonymous #2 2w

It being illegal doesn’t stop it from happening the same way 1/3 women are sexually assaulted despite that being illegal

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Anonymous #4 2w

Are you even old enough to be on tumblr in 2013

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Anonymous #4 2w

2013 tumblr was goated tbh

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Anonymous #5 2w

I’m a not-conventionally-attractive guy and I haven’t had issues with dating. it’s really not that hard to be a good partner or to get with someone.

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Anonymous #2 2w

it’s been studied that men as a population take more unnecessary risks that can lead to being a victim of violent crime. it’s tragic that it happened, but acting like it’s a systemic issue is idiotic.

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