Anonymous #2 1d

Nah we absolutely do complain we just do it amongst ourselves for the most part

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Anonymous #3 1d

Not a fan of the way this framework removes class from the equation

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Anonymous sea_taco 1d

It wasn’t in the equation to begin with. OP was talking about men’s issues in society so I responded with my take on the causes of men’s issues. Other things like class, culture, geography…etc do matter but they weren’t asked about so I didn’t automatically expand on them

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Anonymous #3 1d

I didn’t expect you to expand on them, I was just giving my take on that framework lol

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Anonymous sea_taco 1d

Ah ok, you phrased it as if it was something that was inherently absent, not something you just wanted to add

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Anonymous #3 1d

Could you explain to me precisely how the patriarchy gave rise to specific things such as tanking marriage rates, not being able to afford to be a provider, being minimized or ignored as victims of violent crimes, male suicide rates, being discriminated against in hiring for currently male dominated fields, nosediving college attendance rates, etc which affect men are caused directly by the Patriarchy as you say?

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Anonymous stanczyk 1d

Sure, I think more broadly speaking it’s harm enabled by or perpetuated by strict gender roles, which were pushed for more so by men historically because they were the more dominant gender. Just meaning physically stronger and more embedded in power structures and whatnot.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Tanking marriage rates are coming about because people are waiting longer to get married and more able to live single lifestyles without the harsh judgement that would’ve accompanied it decades ago. They also want more out of their relationships (men and women). Remember marriage rates don’t reflect successful marriages, in the past many bad marriages couldn’t even be ended with a divorce unless the man allowed it

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Anonymous #3 1d

Not being able to afford to be a provider is a good example. Historically men dictated that they were the workers while women stayed in the home. This created the norm of men being the provider. It’s unfair to ask a person to pay for over half of a couples expenses in my opinion, but we’re still dealing with the harmful stigmas that come from those strict gender roles.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Being ignored as victims comes from that too, the idea that men should be stronger than women and keep their emotions to themselves. Also the idea that men are too strong to be taken advantage of in the first place.

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Anonymous #3 1d

^male suicide rates are a similar story, men aren’t supposed to show weakness or discuss these things. They also haven’t historically prioritized making peer friendships as much as women have, which has huge consequences for mental health today.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Being “discriminated against” in male dominated fields is a bit different. Men have always had an unfair advantage in hiring in the majority of jobs. Meaning they got those jobs whether there was a more qualified woman or not. Efforts to prioritize hiring women in those fields likely feels like discrimination to people who have always dominated them, but it’s actually just an attempt to level the playing field.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Nosediving college attendance rates are somewhat complicated. I don’t think the answer is so far off theme from what I’ve been talking about though. Again I wanna stress that this has little to do with young men today, they don’t really deserve the blame here. I’m just saying that the old traditional world, the one with these strictly enforced and harmful gender roles, if falling by the wayside and a modern system is taking its place. There’s gonna be growing pains with that

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