Anonymous #1 11w

Aristotle talks about this. There’s a certain degree of “suggenikê philia” within any ethnos, even without a proper polis.

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Anonymous #1 11w

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8599238/

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Anonymous #1 11w

We can acknowledge the reality of ethmos, while acknowledging it as a fluid thing, expanding commensurate with the material and political reality of civilizations. An ancient Athenian understood his ethnicity very differently from a modern American

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Anonymous #3 11w

As a brown man it 100% exists with white friends

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Anonymous #1 11w

Bro you win this discussion by staying out of it. When they say “Do you believe in…”, they actually mean “This is fact and anyone who disagrees is wrong”. Trying to have an honest/open discussion with strangers about certain political topics is impossible.

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Anonymous #4 11w

I agree, the goal is holonic integration, but such a system can only be voluntary. We must acknowledge the inherent dignity of people groups to advocate and preserve their self-determination and cultural integrity as distinct from other people groups. It is not for you to decide when another people group should be subject to ethnic or cultural change.

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Anonymous #5 11w

I have little tolerance for cowardice and even less for cynicism.

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Anonymous #4 11w

“Whiteness” itself is a marvelous example of holonic integration, its mere conception should be enthusiastically applauded by every student of history and civilization. It is the greatest feat of human connection yet achieved on this earth, with the unification of Han China at a distant second place. Those seeking to disintegrate or dismantle it over petty historical grievances are anti-civilization and have no understanding of the amount of blood that will be spilled as a result.

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Anonymous #1 11w

If you’re trying to say that white privilege is not the only privilege, then you’re right. If you’re saying it doesn’t exist that’s not true. Black men could vote before white women, but white women had other privileges before black men, like not being denied entry to places.

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Anonymous #7 11w

The scope of your analysis is anglocentric. I’m talking globally here.

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Anonymous #7 11w

White privilege generally exists within historically European territories, sure. Though, there are exceptions even to that definition, in South Africa or Zimbabwe, for instance. What I’m saying is that it isn’t some unique act of oppression that has no analogue among other people groups. There are certain areas in the world (and even in the country) where my Whiteness makes me a mark for crime or exploitation by the local nonwhite population.

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Anonymous #7 11w

My argument, stated in more familiar terms, is that the intersectional "hierarchy" of privilege is not *just* multivariate (as you've pointed out), it is also *multipolar* (i.e. the “straight, white, cis, etc. male" is not globally privileged as such). The only reason anyone would believe otherwise is if the scope of their analysis isn’t actually global.

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Anonymous #1 11w

You know damn well that OP was talking about here in the US

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Anonymous #3 11w

I didn’t. Why would you just assume that?

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Anonymous #5 11w

Because most people really only care about the country they live in?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Bingo, exactly my point.

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Anonymous #3 11w

But although the sentiment of your comment is directionally correct, it lacks the necessary nuance of scale. As an American White guy, I care about Europe much the same way I do about America. There is a sense of metaphysical kinship and understanding that simply isn’t present between, say, the U.S. and China. It’s not limited to race, though, as there is a similar (albeit still developing) kinship between the U.S. and Japan or South Korea as well.

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Anonymous #3 11w

I don’t live in that country

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Anonymous #3 11w

You can even see the very beginnings of such a kinship forming among U.S. allies in the middle east, though this war has certainly strained the relationship. More holons are being integrated into the fold over time, until eventually it spans the entire human species, but this process requires incredible care and consideration. The desire to integrate is usually furthered by regional adversaries like Iran or China, who themselves will eventually be integrated with time.

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Anonymous #3 11w

In other words, “Whiteness”, and its associated privileges, are expanding to constitute a greater coalition, which progressives have termed the “Global North”. The frictions you feel between you and your White friends are simply growing pains, just be patient and they will subside.

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Anonymous #10 11w

Proof of deez nuts

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Anonymous #1 11w

i'm talking abt the US

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Anonymous #6 11w

what an odd thing to say

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Anonymous OP 11w

I would really like to see the stat on how many women r in this forum compared to the men on the lesbian sex advice forum

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Anonymous #9 11w

Yeah it seems like hardly anyone I talk to in here is a man 😭. I’m a man and I’m in Gay Sex Advice but not lesbian sex advice because that would be useless to me unless I wanted to be a creep.

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Anonymous #1 11w

Piss off, Diogenes contributed more to society than you ever have

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Anonymous #11 11w

Woah, touched a nerve there. Why is bro so heated?

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Anonymous OP 11w

I couldn’t care less.

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Anonymous #1 11w

It was a Cynicism joke, since you’re the one invoking Aristotelian writings

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