Anonymous #2 21w

yeah like and i mean this in the best possible way, it seems stupid 😭 like getting into a relationship isn't easy for anyone. especially now like gen z and younger millennials aren't really dating and people r going into their 30 as virgins. i just find it so weird why it's become an entire movement based on such a stupid notion.

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Yeah but the reality is that many people are childish and extreme without much consequence

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Are you here to make fun of lonely men or help them?

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Anonymous #7 21w

*often*

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Anonymous #6 21w

Have the day you deserve

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Anonymous #7 21w

Honestly tho it might be voluntary atp

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That hurts.

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I do.

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Anonymous #6 21w

If you don’t want to identify with the label incel, just stop doing it. Not all virgins consider themselves incels & you don’t need to either. I will never call someone an incel just because they haven’t had sex & I don’t think you should either. Goodnight.

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It’s clear you don’t love people like me, though.

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Anonymous #7 21w

I don’t use the term “incel” but like strictly speaking I *am* involuntarily celibate

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Anonymous #6 21w

Dude STOP. Incel has a meaning. I showed you the meaning numerous times. When people use a word like that, which has a whole culture around it, they are NOT talking about you. And if it’s not about you, there’s no need to throw a fit like this. Move on.

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Can you chill please?

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Anonymous #7 21w

The problem I’m trying to address is that it feels like male virgins get unfairly grouped in with misogynists due to imprecise and inconsistent colloquial usage of the term incel

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Yeah I’m being sensitive I have feelings I’m a human person

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Anonymous #6 21w

The term incel is a slang term that was created by men who self identified as misogynists. What’s imprecise is men who don’t meet those criteria identifying with a label who doesn’t match them.

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I’ve seen literal married men get called incels lol

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Apologize? I’m not asking you to apologize I’m just trying to bring up a small problem that I think we could all do better to address

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Anonymous #6 21w

Probably because incel is a term for a misogynistic hate group, and that man was a misogynist. Evidently, he was not being made fun of for being a virgin. The primary association with incel is obviously woman-hater because of its own creators and internet history. I think you just need to stop viewing incel as another term for virgin when it never has been. a man in the 1920s doesn’t know what an incel is: incel does not exist without its internet context & community

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Anonymous #7 21w

Sure, that would be imprecise, which is why I generally avoid using that term. Incel is also often used imprecisely as an insult, in which case it can unfairly target men who don’t meet that criteria. As long as we can all agree on one definition, that’s what matters.

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Yeah I admit the “because it wouldn’t require anything of you” was too harsh, sorry OP

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Anonymous #7 21w

I was coming at it from the angle of “the problem with ‘incels’ is not that they are involuntarily celibate, it’s that they’re misogynistic, so why not just use that umbrella term instead of bringing celibacy into it”

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Anonymous #6 21w

Probably because there are actual incels… who hate women because they are unable to have success dating them… who OP was talking about. OP was likely referring to the exact group which she addressed. Not virgins, not just misogynists, but red-pilled incels. Did we not consider that at all?

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Anonymous #6 21w

It can come off as though you’re implying the misogyny of a virgin is somehow different in nature than that of someone who isn’t celibate.

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Anonymous #6 21w

OP used the term the MOST precisely

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Anonymous #6 21w

What we are saying is when someone refers to the internet hate group that is INCELS, they are allowed to refer to them. Virgins need to stop acting like every critique of inceldom is a criticism of virginity.

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Anonymous #7 21w

In reality it’s entirely irrelevant whether the misogynist in question is celibate or not. It’s equally atrocious either way.

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Anonymous #6 21w

It is relevant, because incels often discuss how women are entitled to women because women are objects for their sexual gratification. their whole psyche evolves from a belief they are entitled to sex. it is a unique, sinister, icky form of misogyny that OP wanted to call out PRECISELY.

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Anonymous #7 21w

how men are entitled to women*

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Anonymous #7 21w

That’s fundamentally the exact same worldview of a misogynist who has lots of sex.

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Anonymous #7 21w

In other words, that’s just plain misogyny, the variable of celibacy is entirely peripheral.

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Anonymous #7 21w

Do you see what I’m trying to say here?

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Anonymous #6 21w

It’s not. The resentment these men have toward women is “I am not being given something that I am owed. I am ENTITLED to your body, and because you have autonomy wrongfully granted through feminism, I have lost something I am entitled to” it is different. you haven’t experienced it because you are a man, but if women want to speak about that kind of misogyny, please stop policing them.

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Anonymous #6 21w

I don’t think it’s right for you to say that women’s experience of misogyny isn’t different in different contexts. A womanizing Andrew Tate does not hit the same way a kick from an incel does. And idk how to say that to a man because you will never experience misogyny. But I don’t think you can just minimize these differences & police women’s language because YOU think these differentiations don’t matter.

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Anonymous #7 21w

The problem is that they believe they are entitled to sex at all. Whether they are virgins who feel entitled to sex in spite of not having it or “chads” who feel entitled to sex precisely because they have it so often is purely circumstantial. The misogyny in question is entitlement, a misogynist being more fortunate with women doesn’t make him any less misogynistic.

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Anonymous #7 21w

I’m sure some of y’all know but for those who don’t, I think it’s important to say that Elliot Rodger was a mass shooter/murderer who perpetuated a mass shorting at UCSB and wrote a misogynistic manifesto that inspired incel culture - historical context is important and I think it’s okay to have these contextual labels.

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Anonymous #6 21w

STOP DENYING WOMEN’S EXPERIENCE OF DIFFERENT FORM OF MISOGYNY AS A MAN WHO DOES NOT EXPERIENCE IT AT ALL. is all racism the same? all homophobia the same? sure, it’s all misogyny, but calling out a specific kind of misogyny is allowed. Stop denying how women experience misogyny differently in different contexts.

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Anonymous #7 21w

Or rather, it doesn’t mean his misogyny is should be any more excusable. Which it sort of feels like is happening honestly (as we’ve discussed earlier, there are far too many married/sexually-active misogynists)

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Anonymous #8 21w

Exactly—incel culture was built around the worship of misogynistic terrorists. Ordinary men who have not had sex should not identify themselves with the incel label.

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Anonymous #6 21w

If a woman wants to call out incel BS, let her. Your discomfort with a woman’s critique does not justify her not speaking about the precise form of misogyny she’d like to discuss. You should not shreak and cry about this because you are not an incel. End of story. The world does not revolve around you. Incel is a word people are allowed to use.

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Anonymous #7 21w

My argument is that Clavicular shouldn’t be able to get laid, but he is able to, and that’s *ostensibly* because some women implicitly view misogyny as more permissible if it comes from someone who is otherwise more attractive.

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Anonymous #6 21w

Then maybe you shouldn’t have spent the whole night arguing about how you’re offended by the word incel being used—even if it’s being used to refer to EXACTLY that group in the proper context.

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Every “clavicular” I’ve ever met just seems to have no shortage of women vying for his attention.

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Anonymous #6 21w

If those are the kinds of women u want then idk why ur even here, go take a flight to Miami 🙃

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Yeah, they’re superficial assholes. That’s what I’m saying. A lot of women are superficial assholes.

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Anonymous #7 21w

No, those aren’t the kinds of women I want. Where tf did I say that?? I just don’t want them to be superficial assholes.

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Anonymous #6 21w

So if u feel that way, you shouldn’t envy people who have sex w them… because you don’t want to. That is our point.

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Anonymous #7 21w

And same with Clavicular, I don’t want him to be a superficial asshole either.

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Anonymous #7 21w

I don’t envy clavicular, I pity him.

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Anonymous #6 21w

then SHUT UP ABOUT HIM. you don’t want to be him? so he’s irrelevant.

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I’m not hating anyone? You’re literally the one who called them superficial assholes, I’m just agreeing with you. I also agree that Clavicular is one.

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Anonymous #7 21w

He’s just a suitable archetype for the discussion at hand, I’m not just referring to him in particular.

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agreed

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Anonymous #6 21w

It’s futile to talk about whter someone should or should not be getting laid. Sex is not and ought not be a reward for good or righteous behavior, although antisocial behavior is less likely to get you sex

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Anonymous #6 21w

oh I spent way too much of my time trying to help them. I’m a woman and im lonely too. tired of men being the only ones who are allowed to sit here and bitch about being lonely. I get it’s a mental health issue, but like if I can get up out of bed on my hardest days, be kind to people, and try to make friends/maintain meaningful connections because it’ll pay off, so can men that are lonely. it’s just about trying and not giving a fuck about rejection

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Anonymous #7 21w

Hey so this is literally what i said in an earlier comment! I'm talking about specifically about men who don't have sex and feel entitled to sex with women and hate them for not giving them attention. I'm not even talking abt virgins bc the term doesn't even mean celibate someone who has never had sex. It just means restrained from sexual activity. You can still be an incel and not a virgin.

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Anonymous #6 21w

you can't use clavicular as an example a 21 year old kid who was so insecure that he (in his pre pubescent body mind you) that he hopped up on drugs steroids and drugs and then expect people to actually take your side.

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Anonymous OP 21w

You clearly misread my comments if you think I’m saying he’s a positive example.

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Should republicans get laid?

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I agree - only women should gatekeep who they individually have sex with

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Men do a bad job at not sexually assaulting women

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Anonymous OP 21w

Yeah, I’m really sorry you keep having to make the same points over & over again because people won’t listen to you—I understand which is why I reiterated the point. This is all really unfortunate.

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Anonymous #8 21w

Call me crazy but I think both men and women actually do have moral obligations in larger society, and that those extend to matters of sexual responsibility.

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Anonymous #6 21w

y’all are so far off the beaten path are u not exhausted jfc 💀💀💀

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Sex is a biological imperative, naturally it does function as a sort of “reward” or objective, whether you like it or not. It’s just a question of what behaviors get rewarded.

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Anonymous #7 21w

I’m so shot lol. like can we all just give some of this shit a rest. gender doesn’t fucking matter. it’s a construct. we’re all tired and all want friends and all want relationships. put down your phones, and leave the house. touch grass. drink with friends. do something to be connected to other human beings. and try to actually enjoy it even if you have differences with them. like have your parents never said this to you???

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Anonymous #6 21w

What do you do to prevent male violence and hold violent men accountable?

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Anonymous #6 21w

Do y’all really need to be trained like damn dogs in order to have the desire to treat other human beings with respect? I don’t think we do. I think we are a highly evolved species. I think you should also evolve your mindset.

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Anonymous #10 21w

wtf did i say???

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Anonymous #7 21w

U didn’t say anything. I was agreeing with u. just clicked anybody to respond to. it wasn’t personal

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Anonymous #7 21w

YEP

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Anonymous #7 21w

Yeah dogs is an apt comparison - when he said “reward” it gave me this visceral reaction and I wasn’t sure why until I read this. It makes it seem like all the bitterness and violence is our fault for training them wrong

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you don’t know us. gender war is boring. i’m bored. all of this has been debated before. go to sleep.

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Anonymous #7 21w

It’s only 9pm and it’s Saturday - as soon as I get less high I’m going out. 15 more minutes for gender wars and I swear I’ll get ready. Pls?

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Anonymous #6 21w

The thing is number 6, I did get your point. You are just wrong. Let me break it down for you. You were offended by my use of the word incel, bc not all men who don't have sex are misogynistic which you would be correct, which i acknowledged your correctness and explained why i didn't use the term misogynist. Everyone here has said that the term incel and the way I used it is referring to a man who is misogynistic.

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Los Angeles. I love it here so much. Every time I go out, anything might happen. Everything is possible here. Maybe I’ll go to Malibu with strangers for a fourth time. Maybe I’ll get tacos. I’ll probably get tacos. Pride month in Los Angeles.

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Anonymous #8 21w

I love that

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Anonymous OP 21w

Every incel is a misogynist, but not every misogynist is an incel. Clavicular is the latter. As I said plenty of married men/men who date women are misogynist. My post wasn't about them. It was specifically about the men who feel as if they are entitled to sex from women and hate women because they don't provide that sexual gratification. It's very counterproductive and stupid to want something you hate. Which is why I made a post about it

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Come party in a warehouse downtown and then watch the sunrise on Mulholland drive

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Anonymous #11 21w

Exactly

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Anonymous #6 21w

I’m willing to help lonely men who are receptive to help, and I will make fun of the ones who have radicalized themselves into an incel hole too deep for me to pull them out of. I’m a dude who hasn’t had the easiest time in the world with women. My fear of rejection led me to not try, and then I didn’t really know how to try when I wanted to. That shit sucks. But if I hear a mf talking on some “foid” shit, then yeah, I have to laugh at them.

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Anonymous #13 21w

I mean you’re more likely to be mistreated by someone you’re in a relationship with than someone you’re not, that’s kinda just a matter of chance. I know plenty of dudes who have also stayed with shitty girlfriends because they were more scared of being alone than they were of her bullshit. That’s how it goes sometimes man. Abusive people tend to be manipulative people, and there are easily manipulated members of both sexes.

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literally no. it’s only “boring” because we’re tired of people being pinned against each other. both genders agree that some people among that gender can do stupid and fucked up shit. let’s move on and treat the rest of people like they’re normal because most of us are

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Anonymous #13 21w

do they? radical women who hate men typically don't date them. that's what the 4B movement was about. also the hate and extreme misogyny incels participate in and spread across the internet is on a WHOLE different level than the women at your job who are complaining that men suck. misogyny kills women. misandry is a direct consequence of that extreme misogyny. women are the only marginalized community who aren't allowed to hate their oppressors.

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Anonymous #11 21w

its no ones to blame. love and romance is supposed to happen naturally, and if it doesn’t work out between two individuals it just means you weren’t meant to be together. the whole notion that attractiveness needs to be at a certain level in order to get women needs to be squashed. good women want to be with good men. i'm dating my boyfriend bc he's a good person.

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well hypothetically yes, he's always been a good person. however it does depend bc we have a age gap so like for a while there it wasn't legal for us to date.

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he didn't put himself out there, and yes i do

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at work i said that

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Anonymous OP 21w

The fact you think it’s okay for anyone to hate anyone is concerning.

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Anonymous #17 21w

well one of hand thank you for answering the question. on the other hand i highly recommend meeting normal people

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Anonymous OP 21w

Hmmmmmmm uhhhhhh hmmmm naaaahhh

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Anonymous #6 21w

that's not what i said. i don't think it's okay to hate anyone but i guess i should've clarified. out of all of the marginalized communities in the the world two can't hate their oppressors and that strip them of their power. the other being children.

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Anonymous #17 21w

okay then live in your own ultra misogynistic incel fantasy bubble and continue to further radicalize yourself to hate women but want them for your own personal gain. thats not counterproductive at all

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Anonymous OP 21w

Will do buckaroo

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Anonymous OP 21w

You’re complaining that people aren’t “allowed to hate” lol

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Anonymous #17 21w

seriously though, what would help you to not do that? what would give u motivation to become a better person

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Anonymous OP 21w

Nothing, probably

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You’re proving my point by focusing on the money I have, by the way!

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Anonymous OP 21w

Yes they do, this is common knowledge 😭

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Anonymous #17 21w

you immediately proved theirs and now they're successfully baiting you. maidenless behavior 😂

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Anonymous #17 21w

thats really disappointing. i do think you're rage baiting but if not, i hope one day you realize this is no way to live and you seek out the resources to help you.

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Anonymous #15 21w

Oopsie poopsie

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Anonymous OP 21w

I like the way I live, it’s pretty good tbh. De-centering women was the best decision I’ve ever made fr

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Anonymous #13 21w

no, the average women doesn't hate men. just like the average man doesn't hate women. the type of misogyny incels participate is equivalent to radfems who spew gender superiority. that doesn't mean all women just like how all men aren't incels

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Anonymous #17 21w

you can de-center your life from women and still respect them as human beings

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Anonymous OP 21w

I mean I do yeah, i vote for their rights and all that jazz, just don’t like em

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Anonymous #17 21w

i guess you don't have to like but you shouldn't objectify them or make harmful assumptions about them like u did in ur original comment

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Anonymous OP 21w

These guys see girls post “I hate men” after a breakup or some shit and internalize it as being some deeply held conviction and not the same type of momentary anger we all know a lot of guys have been through. We all know a guy who has said “bitches ain’t shit” after a breakup, gotten over it, and been chill after. Women do THE SAME EXACT SHIT. That’s what makes these types so baffling to me. Every complaint they say “women do” has a male corollary lmao

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