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Hot take: frieren making demons unequivocally evil is lazy writing and makes it easy for racists to latch onto the series because it reflects their worldview that some "races" are also inherently evil
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Anonymous 3w

Bro will hate a large amount of media lmao. Not every evil species of villains needs to have super deep reasons saying why they evil. Also, ppl will latch their political beliefs on any piece of media because they will see it within the media, intentional or not

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Anonymous 3w

Holy media illiteracy

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Anonymous 3w

People will downvote, but the same shit happened to LOTR

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Anonymous 3w

can’t personally weigh in on this too confidently since i haven’t watched the show, but ever since i learned that piece of the canon, i’m always mildly surprised when people with super politically-nuanced worldviews go to bat for this series

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Anonymous 3w

They’re demons…

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Anonymous 3w

You just wait till Season 3 comes out

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Anonymous 3w

The series doesn’t try to portray demons as a metaphor for any race. Whatever interpretations people push onto the show isn’t at the fault of the writers, they can only be held accountable for what they actually wrote and intended.

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Anonymous 3w

Genuinely if you’re actually relating a literal DEMONS to a literal human race IRL. And you’re using Frieren of all things to justify it. I’m sure you were just racist to begin with and wanted to make excuses. Because there is no reason a show with DEMONS being the antagonist makes you assume someone who’s a different shade from you is inherently evil.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 3w

It's a great series! But there are few series without shortcomings like this. For example AOT is pro-Japanese-imperialism propaganda. But it's still the greatest piece of fiction ever written.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Missing the point my dude

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Demons are the embodiment of evil and therefore are shown as such, it’s not “lazy writing”.

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Did you not catch that demons are literally animals made of mana? They’re not even alive in the same sense humans or elves are

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

nevermind, calling Attack on Titan “the greatest piece of fiction ever written” is an immediate shortcut to making me lose all interest in your opinions on fiction

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 3w

I'm not allowed to have a favorite?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

It is lazy writing because pure evil entities are uninteresting and bigots like to latch onto ideas like that. As someone else pointed out, bigots love LOTR for the same reason. You don't have to agree.

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

you didn’t say “my favorite piece of fiction ever written”, those are two different statements. you phrased it as a fact rather than an opinion

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 3w

"The curtains are just blue" ahh response

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 3w

You're being a pedantic prick and I'm blocking you

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Wait til you meet Macht and Solitar. You’ll change your tune real quick

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Btw you’re literally defending something that’s nothing more than an angler fish capable of speech and flashy spells lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

I'm arguing with the author's writing choices you twat, not with people's interpretation of it

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Sometimes they just are

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 3w

They're not, you're just incapable of perceiving anything past the surface level in media

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 3w

lord of the rings? I don’t understand?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 3w

It has the same problem, a race of entirely evil beings, does it not?

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

It’s a legitimate writing choice that is perfectly acceptable. If a bigot draws false conclusions due to his own ignorance and lack of biological knowledge that’s his problem, not the writers. If it’s not your cup of tea that’s fine, but when you say a writing choice bad because “it makes it easy for racists to latch onto” you’re literally basing your entire argument on other “people’s interpretation of it”.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

*is bad

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 3w

Orc evil race, orc descendant of elf but evil

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

I didn't say it's bad I said it's lazy. That's a pretty popular opinion. Doesn't mean I think the shoe is and.

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

If you’re talking abt orcs I think you kind of missed the idea. They were created by the Dark Lord who corrupted and twisted captured Elves and turned them into demonic servants. It shows what happens when beauty is twisted by war and hatred and they are a metaphor for human evil and how corruption of life leads to cruelty and the destruction of nature

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 3w

I think you're the one missing the idea my friend, this is not a critique of the writing itself, it is a critique of these authors decisions to innocently and unknowingly cater to the ethos of the alt right. This is not even a critique of the authors themselves, more an observation.

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 3w

Yes? Exactly? What's your point? I didn't say frieren is racist or the author is racist. I said racists like it because it supports their worldview, even unintentionally. It sucks when bigots co-opt something innocent but they do it all the time.

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 3w

Ngl, racist people will make their own separate science just to be racist. Racist people will do anything in their power to form a narrative to be racist, Frieren is just a victim to that but so is basically every other media. Leave poor Frieren out of it we just need to hold them accountable instead, if that makes sense I mean people can’t even have black characters in shit anymore in anime without everyone bitching and moaning that “They aren’t black” or making racist art or comments.

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 3w

I see, you'd rather not talk about it because you're a crybaby who doesn't want to have any hard conversations. Got it. Bye

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

regardless of any politics, it’s genuinely disappointing as a viewer to see an author portray a race with exclusively human traits and emotions (beyond “speech and flashy spells”) as inherently incapable of coexistence without much exploration of that. like genuinely a huge missed opportunity, and that pains me as a writer

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 3w

the media can have problems even if the author doesn’t. a lot of people deeply dislike Goblin Slayer’s portrayal of goblins (another inherently evil race with no exploration into that) as they’re depicted similarly to Jewish caricatures. I personally don’t make the connection, but a lot of people dislike the media while acknowledging the author didn’t intend it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 3w

and yeah, sometimes people want an excuse to have their characters fight human-like enemies without getting muddy with morals. which can be good but (imo) not great since it denies a lot of struggles for the characters outside of “oh no people can die and this fight is hard :(“ which is still engaging but much less so

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 3w

the orcs in LOTR are VERY intentionally used as a metaphor and integrate well as part of the main theme/allegory of good triumphing over evil. Frieren just… doesn’t do that. demons are faceless bad guys who are bad because we said so. the flashback with the demon girl was good but ultimately a surface-level exploration of a very interesting discussion

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 3w

it genuinely is that deep. the story fails to explore a salient facet of an entire species in an otherwise fleshed-out show. it stands out like a sore thumb.

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