
Sure but you have to acknowledge there is a difference between choosing not to mourn and posting about choosing not to mourn. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with the former. But when u post that ur not mourning ur really making a political statement and u can pretend otherwise but u know thats what ur doing. You don’t post about all the other people in the world who died recently that you aren’t mourning.
Yes the post references Charlie Kirk indirectly but the post says they don’t believe anyone should die due to “political views” I said I absolutely disagree because I don’t think those that celebrate the dark history of Germany should be allowed to live. So idk why you’re acting stupid but you should use your context clues like a big boy. If I wanted to call Charlie that directly, I would have but I was responding to the take that all “political views” should be respected.
No the conversation was about respecting different political views. Obviously it’s indirectly referring Kirk but that’s not what my response highlighted. Kirk was probably that in some ways but I really don’t care what he was because he was a POS regardless. My point was general. Hope this helps!
Okay but if u agree why did u post this then? Like ur water is water thing applies to ur own post. Not even the staunchest of conservatives are out here saying u should be personally mourning at least that I’ve seen, they’re only responding to public statements of not mourning. Since you agree that’s a different thing you’re arguing with no one.
Or you just don’t get my point. No one who said they weren’t mourning was pretending they weren’t making a political statement, just like the ones celebrating weren’t. But it seems you think making a political statement about a political influencer is bad? Even though people vocally mourning and saying people shouldn’t announce not mourning is a political statement in and of itself.
No im just trying to say that you’re shadowboxing. Aka no one is disagreeing with you. I think you’re trying to engage with the argument I outlined earlier in which people would disagree but by not committing to that line you have a more defensible position. However this is either dishonest or just pointless
A false dichotomy was being presented in these discussions where someone is either vocally celebrating or vocally mourning based on if they think someone should die due to their political views. I’m saying that while I agree no one should die, there’s a third option: That people who disagree with your views don’t have to mourn your death even if they aren’t celebrating it.
Idk, man. Saying ‘Hitler caused genocide’ and ‘Kirk just shares opinions’ kind of disconnects ideology from outcome. I mean, genocide didn’t just happen. It was fueled and justified by political ideology - especially one that targeted marginalized groups and spread gradually over time. Hitler’s speeches and rallies weren’t harmless. They were the conduit for building the moral framework that allowed genocide to feel justified - and that’s exactly how Hitler ‘caused genocide’.
He also had plenty of people “on the ground” who didn’t touch any weapons. A lot of people forget that the Holocaust was not an overnight event. It took YEARS before the camps were opened and gassing and non-stop murder occurred. It took over a decade for them to open and reach the level they did.
The camps didn’t start or end with Jews, either. Started with Germans associated with the Communist Party of Germany. Then anyone showing resistance. Then the racial profiling picked up more. Then general criminals and “asocial” people (Roma and Sinti, Disabled, Queer, alcoholic, homeless, nomadic, sex worker, interracial couples, etc) were encamped. Many “asocials” who survived were still left in prisons to suffer and be forgotten after the camps were shut down.