Anonymous #2 4w

I put it here cause I think the people who think like this are assholes. I named the Bible specifically cause that’s the group I was raised around but what I said also goes for any religion or holy book.

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Anonymous OP 4w

“Am I the asshole” so doesn’t fit at all lmao

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Anonymous #2 4w

Eh fair but a lot of the posts on here don’t seem to follow that so idk. If there’s a better group for it lmk.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah it’s probably one here under “I don’t understand the topic but I want to say the popular opinion online for upvotes”

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yes because no one has ever shared their personal thoughts on YikYak or any other social media platform for reassurance or validation

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Anonymous OP 4w

It may be the popular opinion to you but doesn’t make people who think the Bible or any other religious text is the only source of morality any less irritating

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s honestly a deeper conversation that you aren’t ready to have on why religion is a better judgment for morals than not. I mean what tells you right from wrong? Your conscience which Christianity attributes to the Holy Spirit. You actually have to study the faith rather than just be raised that way to understand.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yeah I suspected you felt called out by the post. If religion was the sole arbiter of “good morals” religions/their sects wouldn’t have spent the past thousands of years arguing over who’s was right. Or contradicting themselves throughout history. I’m not saying you can’t use your religious beliefs to guide you, but that’s not the sole moral source for everyone. And the perception that those without a specific religious view must be amoral sadists is misguided projection (point of the post).

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Anonymous OP 4w

What you just said makes absolutely no sense. People are gonna argue over what’s right and what’s wrong. Religion isnt any different. If anything it’s more proof religion has a place in morals because people argue over who has the right religion. In other words who also has the right moral code. Also u say the last part yet can’t tell me why you know right from wrong. It’s a simple question I can answer, can you?

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Anonymous OP 4w

You don’t have to be religious to have a conscience, but in my view and billions of others it’s God that gives us that conscience. No other non-religious belief system or science gives an answer to that question of what is your conscience.

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Anonymous #2 4w

My post was about people who use THEIR personal religious beliefs as the sole determinant of all morality to the point they can’t fathom how anyone could have morals or values without being religious. If you’re saying religion has been an important tool for moral social cohesion then sure I’d agree. But the fact we look back on some of the things religious people of the past decided was morally cohesive with horror indicates one religion/sect isn’t the sole determinant for morals.

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Anonymous OP 4w

But those acts go against those same religious beliefs. That’s the thing. That’s why when I chose my religion I looked at the moral codes that best matches itself. Human nature is flawed but the moral codes stay true. If a religious man commits murder it doesn’t mean the religion supports murder, it just means the man broke his code. Again I ask you what you do to determine your morality?

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Anonymous #2 4w

“You don’t have to be religious to have a conscious.” Yes, that is literally the point that I’m making. I’m not here to argue with you over your interpretation of religious text or the existence of religion. If you think even nonbelievers get their conscious from the Holy Spirit, the same way people who join Islam are called “reverts” because they believe its the religion they were always meant to be a part of then that’s fine. Same with religions serving a moral purpose or influencing morals.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I determine my morality based on what I think is emotionally, physically, and mentally healthy for myself and those around me. There are both philosophical and scientific explanations for that behavior. Humanism emphasizes belief in human dignity and improving society. Scientific evolutionary theory stresses the importance of our being pack animals. We’ve had to work together to survive so said survival is contingent on following socially approved moral codes.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Now I would tell you to actually research true faith and see that your conscience does come from God. When people say they believe The Bible and being sent to hell is the only reason for people to have morals it’s because it’s true, hell the whole point of religion is that all humans are bad people and religion helps us be good. So actually yes we are all bad people but through Jesus (or since you are one of those people I assume) anyone religious person you find is true, we can actually be good

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Anonymous OP 4w

Like without a doubt religion is needed to have a moral code in society otherwise it’s subjective, religion explains the conscience aspect and without religion you don’t have an answer for what a conscience is.

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Anonymous #2 4w

The fact people argue over how to interpret the moral code also means it’s still subjective. The same code that led to people justifying slavery and genocides also led to ending slavery and feeding the needy. Maybe the moral code itself is “pure” to you but the fact that humans have to interpret it in flawed ways means its application irl is inherently subjective. The morals of every religion may be objective to you but their right/wrong application isn’t. Hence the constant fighting.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Again if you want to use your religious beliefs for your own morals that’s fine. Same if you think religion has been an important vehicle for establishing them. Just don’t assume that the people who don’t share yours must therefore be inherently immoral or amoral. As long as you don’t think that, then you can believe what you want and the post isn’t about you.

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Anonymous OP 4w

People interpret science in many many different ways. Science was used to create racism hell. But does that mean science is subjective, no. You are associating immoral people who twist morals ro say that morality is subjective when it’s not. Religion is just like science where it seeks to find the right and wrong answers and based of the conscience given to us by God we can determine which moral code is correct.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I never said that wasn’t the case. At most I’d say science has explanations for morality while NOT ascribing one viewpoint as inherently better than the other. But obv its application is subjective. The point of the post is to not assume someone must be immoral/amoral JUST because they don’t share your religion/religious belief. Do you think people who aren’t a part of your religion or who don’t interpret yours the same way are either of those? If not, cool. We’re on the same page.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s my personal belief that if you do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ you are immoral. It’s also written in the Bible that every person including Christians are immoral. So if you are asking me personally yes everyone is immoral, but we have religion/God to guide us back to morality. So when someone assumes you are immoral for not following *insert religion* it’s because they assume you aren’t striving to be a good person, because religion is the base for morality.

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Anonymous #2 4w

And I’m saying don’t assume that someone ISN’T striving to be a good person just because they aren’t following your religion or your religion in the same way as you.

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Anonymous OP 4w

If you think everyone, people who follow your religion, people who follow it differently than you, and people who don’t follow your religion are all immoral then you can think that. That’s not the stance/approach I have and we don’t have to agree.

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Anonymous OP 4w

If you aren’t brushing your teeth I’m gonna assume you don’t have good hygiene. It’s the same comparison, without religion moral code falls apart. Without brushing your teeth you get cavities. Now both situations can lead to someone either having good morals or having good hygiene but it’s more likely they don’t.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Well I’d say your stance is wrong. Everyone has done wrong or has had intrusive thoughts. Those all make us immoral but the reason you can become moral is through Jesus which I pray you find.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yes not brushing your teeth isn’t hygienic. Where you and I disagree is that only a specific type of toothbrush used in a specific way counts. I don’t believe you have to be religious or have to be Christian (those two aren’t the same) to be moral. I don’t agree with your stance and you don’t agree with mine and that’s okay.

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Anonymous #5 4w

I love how people only care about this when it’s a post they dislike. But if you think ITA for this stance I take it as a compliment.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Well you are the first person in history to take “asshole” as a compliment but do ur thing i guess

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