Anonymous #1 4w

Isn’t heaven a good place to be in?

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Anonymous jesusiskinggg 4w

i have a genuine question. the bible says that the only way to heaven is by faith through grace, correct? thats the ONLY way. u cant get there by good works, divine intervention, none of that bc we need free will but we also need jesus's sacrifice. so how do babies who die before they can choose get to heaven? the bible does say that babies who die go to heaven, so im not disagreeing w that, but how do these things coexist without tearing holes in the very fabric of the faith?

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Anonymous #5 4w

That’s a great question and to be honest with you, there are questions we won’t get the answers to until we enter those golden gates right? What we do know is God uses the WORST of situations Satan throws at us and he uses them for GOOD and I believe the more faith we have the more good we see out of the bad things does that make sense?

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Anonymous jesusiskinggg 4w

no, no it does not

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Anonymous #5 4w

Sorry it doesn’t I guess? Again I don’t really have that answer you’ll have to seek God and believe he can give you it🤷🏼‍♂️

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Anonymous jesusiskinggg 4w

i tried that for years. tried to understand, tried to make it make sense, prayed, asked everyone, but no one was able to explain the contradiction away. its not just a minor contradiction either its the very core msg of the faith. if thats not in tact then what do u have to build off of? im muslim now bc in researching i realized islam answered all the questions i had, but whenever i see someone bring this topic up i still like to ask just in case someone has thought of smth i never did

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Anonymous #5 4w

So instead of being in heaven, you want people to be born, to damn them to hell? Statistically, by being born you risk straying from God and going to hell. Wouldn’t you want as many people in heaven?

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Anonymous #4 4w

And by growing up they earn a ticket to hell most likely?

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Anonymous OP 4w

what?? im sorry im not sure i understood ur question😭

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Anonymous #5 4w

If those babies go to heaven, why is abortion bad?

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Anonymous OP 4w

ahhh. i see the angle ur coming from. i think the common argument is bc its "interfering w gods plan" & "prematurely ending a life" since theyre viewed as babies who have a soul, it would kind of be like killing an adult who may be a christian so sure they prolly would also go to heaven but it would still be murder & the ending of a life which i think is where most ppl find the issue

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Anonymous #5 4w

The Bible says those too young to understand the concept of sinning go to heaven. So children up until the point they can understand. They are blameless and sunless therefor they go to heaven.

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Anonymous #6 4w

Sinless*

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Anonymous #6 4w

well that brings up the issue of christianity's belief that every human is born full of sin simply bc we're born into a sinful world which is the very reason why we need jesus's sacrifice in order to get to heaven & cant do it of our own accord, right? so i dont think that explanation really works

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Anonymous #5 4w

@#5 You are asking an important question so thank you for the curiosity. In James 2:17 It says, “In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead”. You are saved by grace, but if you have faith, your works should show your good faith. So it is both. We note these works as good “fruit”, because faith plants the seed, and good works show the outcome.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Also @#5, as it says in Luke, God is the judge, not us. As it says in Exodus, God is good. Given these things are true, God will take the appropriate action for babies that die young, I believe they won’t go to hell. Therefore, “rely not on your own understanding” as it says in scripture. Trust in God and his plan becomes clear. You can’t micromanage God.

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Anonymous #7 4w

ephesians 2:8-9 "for by grace u have been saved through faith. & this is not of ur own doing. it is the gift of god, not of works, so that no one may boast" ik it needs to be both faith & grace & each on its own isnt sufficient thats why im finding an issue bc babies cant have faith🫤 & not relying on my own understanding can work maybe w some of the smaller aspects but when its such a core integral part of the religion that directly contradicts each other, i have a hard time believing at all

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Anonymous #5 4w

I would review the following: 2 Samuel 12:23, Matthew 19:14, and Luke 18:15-17. There seems to be evidence that David knows that he will see his dead baby again in heaven. Jesus also conveys the message that the kingdom of heaven belongs to children. Luke 18:17 “Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” To me this is clear that little children are pure.

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Anonymous #7 4w

im not disagreeing w that. im saying that there is an inconsistency bc its claimed in the bible that babies/small children r pure/go to heaven but ALSO that every human is born into sin (romans 5:12, psalm 51:5, jeremiah 17:9) which is why we need jesus's sacrifice to "cleanse" us of that sin. these two things cannot coexist yet they r both beliefs stated in the bible.

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Anonymous #5 4w

It’s not inconsistent, it’s paradoxical. We live in a legalistic world but God considers the heart. Consider that God knows all our intentions, so babies can’t have bad intentions because they aren’t developed enough yet.

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Anonymous #7 4w

inconsistent in the sense that each of the points do not fit into the larger belief system if the other is present, thats what i meant. & my friend, the bible makes a clear stance on this saying we're born sinful & need to be saved by faith through grace but children who cannot have faith still go to heaven. its a paradox as u said. what u r describing is a core concept in islam, not christianity (the idea that god considers ur intentions/heart & we're all born good). idk what else to say

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Anonymous #5 4w

children not being able to have bad intentions does not have an impact on whether they r considered to be sinful & in need of jesus's sacrifice bc the verses i referenced earlier explain why (it has to do w adam's original sin & everything)

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Anonymous #8 4w

some denominations believe this, but others do not (most evangelical & baptist groups do not)

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