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The default should be pro body autonomy for the mother
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Anonymous 1d

Fellas, it’s not like these people are aborting these fetuses without remorse. Abortion is a difficult decisions for everyone involved. Pregnancy is extremely expensive and life-threatening, and mothers should have the right to choose if they want to go through that or not. If it truly is a murder, they will be judged in the afterlife accordingly. If you think it is a murder, then when it comes down to it, don’t get an abortion.

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Anonymous 1d

The way men would absolutely lose their minds if we told them to stop having sex but when a woman doesn’t want a pregnancy it’s all “close your legs”

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Anonymous 1d

All of these forced-birth shills need serious therapy.

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Anonymous 1d

A 1/3 of our generation has died to abortion shut the fuck up about body autonomy

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Anonymous 1d

80 million fucking kids dead because people don’t wanna be held accountable for their orgasms

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Anonymous 1d

She had the body autonomy to not have sex but she just couldn’t control herself could she

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Anonymous 1d

The intent of the mother has nothing to do with the life of the baby. This is why when a pregnant woman gets into a car accident it’s a double murder. The modern mother has been told it is acceptable to murder their baby for whatever reason, and the convenience in the moment leads mothers astray. It is no different to a mother murdering her toddler because she doesent have money to feed it. Age and ability don’t matter.

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Anonymous 1d

The thing is, killing another human isn’t pro body autonomy. Women don’t have the right to kill another human.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

it's not another human. it's a growing clump of cells inside of THEIR body

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Yeah, it’s a human that’s growing inside another human bc you have consent to it when you decided to have sex. You agreed to sex, you conceded the fact that pregnancy could happen, that doesn’t give you the right to kill a human bc you didn’t make the right choices.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

You consent to sex, sex is not all about reproduction

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

This is not even remotely true

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

Mfs just making shit up 😂😂😂

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Please tell me how many you think it is since 1973

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Since roe v wade over 64 million have died

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Pleasure is a byproduct of sex. The point of sex is to have kids. When yoy have sex, there is always a chance of the woman getting pregnant. You can’t just say no, I don’t want that part

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

You’re a clump of cells btw

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

< 50 million fetuses have been aborted since 1980 you doofus

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

thanks:)

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

Not everyone gets pregnant from sex btw

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

buddy are you 50 years old?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

Maybe 60 million

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

*fetuses and cells, not kids

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 1d

What a stupid fucking comment

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Why would you have sex if you don’t want to have a baby? Why do you think it’s morally acceptable to then kill that baby that you made ON PURPOSE

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

What about rape victims?

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

Not all people get pregnant from sex because guess what not everyone can have babies, now why would womens bodies allow that if sex always meant baby? Also it’s not a baby it’s a clump of cells

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

They’re gonna use the 1% argument

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

You will die on this hill but you probably defend assault rifles and don’t support things that help ACTUALLY ALIVE children

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

This is just schizo talk at this point, abortion has always been a common place thing

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

It’s understandable in those cases. That’s when bodily autonomy is actually removed.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Yes. They’re still 1% of cases

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

Doesn’t matter

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

In any scenario where a woman wants to have an abortion but can’t her bodily autonomy is removed

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

It does matter. Bc the vast majority of abortion cases are just bc parents don’t wanna be accountable for their actions so they think they should be able to kill a human.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

I disagree. Two people chose to have sex. You choose to concede the chance of getting pregnant, you don’t get to kill someone bc you made bad choices.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

But pregnant people should have the right to choose whether or not they want to go through this often traumatizing experience called pregnancy if they don’t have the right support or are in a difficult situation. It’s not as simple as abandoning your child at an orphanage if you don’t want it. Like I said before, pregnancy and childbirth can be life-threatening and traumatic if you don’t have access to proper healthcare and support, and many people in this country don’t.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

If abortion is murder, is a miscarriage manslaughter?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

No bc miscarriage doesn’t happen on purpose. Abortion is intentional.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

Negligent behavior like drugs that lead to a miscarriage could be manslaughter id see that as consistent

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

Ooh that’s a good one too. Take all the good guys guns away! Then everyone will love each other and bad people will cease to exist. When a psychopath breaks into your families home with a weapon, you should just talk it out and maybe suggest them some mental health options. You guys are mentally incapacitated.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." -Founder of Planned Parenthood.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

This is not commonplace. Mass abortion is a strategy used to desensitize murder and glorify sleeping around. As you can see Margaret Sanger deliberately pushed this agenda primarily in the Black population, with Black women nowbeing responsible for 40% of abortions while making up 13% of the female population.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

The vast majority of your mom sucked my dick last night. Pull up some statistics or shut up

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 1d

Average abortion supporter🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

Wants sources? Yeah, crazy idea Gilead

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 1d
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Anonymous replying to -> #8 1d

Vast majority of your mom?🤣 You’re an idiot bro

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 1d

Forced birth🤣 I guess we should stop the forced sex first because it obviously wasn’t the mother’s choice to create this baby. Oh wait it was, and the inability for the woman to keep her legs closed from an incapable man does not permit the murder of the child they intentionally created together. If you don’t want to have a baby don’t have sex.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

Go pray or something dude

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

So you either are one or defend rapists. Got it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

when you can't even suppress the misogyny you're pretending doesn't drive your ideology

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

You’re purposefully being disingenuous.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1d

Go ahead and look at the source is posted below. 96 percent of abortions include a healthy mother and baby. Again, the baby did not appear out of thin air and it is unfortunate that your actions had consequences, but you don’t get to commit murder because you made a mistake. Sex is not for fun or for relaxation, it is a sacred biological process that should be taken very seriously, with a partner whom you are comfortable raising a child with. Or just use a dom it’s not that hard.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

You’re right my emotions got the best of me. I should distance myself from as hominem contentions. Thank you for keeping me accountable

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 1d

She? Oh so she got pregnant alone did she? People yet again always ignoring the fact that it was a MANS sperm that got inside her. If men were actually protectors and took responsibility, maybe we’d see less abortions. If society was more accepting of single mothers, if there was more help available, if this country was a lil less misogynistic, MAYBE we’d see less abortions. But no, yall are stuck in your ways, so we’re gonna do what’s best for us thanks

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Why are the cells there

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 1d

Damn straight “she” because she alone has been given the choice to kill her child that it took a MANS sperm to make. Maybe if this country wasn’t so misogynistic we’d give the 2 people it took to make the baby the right to decide to kill it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 1d

You must be on crack. Seek professional help.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

This gives “not all people see out of their eyes, now why would human bodies allow that if eyes always meant seeing”😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 1d

Even if your last point made any sense, which it doesn’t, a lot of guys tell women to get abortions cause they don’t want the responsibility. Or they just disappear. People aren’t going to stop having sex, that’s a fact. Abortions are never going to stop either. Even when they were illegal ppl attempted them in far more dangerous ways. I wouldn’t expect you to understand this since you’ll never grasp how dangerous and painful pregnancy and birth can be. Ta ta.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 1d

He didn’t respond after you posted the statistics, classic lmao

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Anonymous 23h

How about you just stay out of people’s bodies? 🥰

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Anonymous 23h

Why is keeping your shit opinions about other people’s healthcare needs to yourself so difficult?

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Anonymous 23h

What are you smoking so I know with more assurance what to avoid?

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Anonymous 23h

I’m very familiar. And it doesn’t matter. Abortions are healthcare, plain and simple.

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Anonymous 23h

You are not the one to determine what is an is not necessary. That’s between patient and provider only, not you sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong.

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Anonymous 22h

Cool. They still are valid and will keep happening regardless of how desperate you are to force birth.

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Anonymous 22h

Medically unnecessary doesn’t exclude financially necessary or situation necessary

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Anonymous 22h

That’s the cool thing, you preventing autonomy won’t keep it from happening and will only push more people against you for violating basic human rights.

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Anonymous 22h

Cool, mandatory vasectomies then. They’re reversible and men cause every pregnancy and can keep causing a pregnancy every day if they wanted. Stop the issue where it is. When they’re ready to be responsible providers, then they can get them reversed.

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Anonymous 22h

Yaaaawn. A foetus is not a child. And you’re right, we’re tired of your ilk and abuse. You won’t last and the world will recover and be better than what you wish for it.

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Anonymous 22h

when you say things like this it makes it obvious you're a right wing edgelord and are way more interested in controlling women than helping solve early childhood finance or whatever

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Anonymous 22h

Nah, vasectomies to balance it out. You want to force us to carry a child, you don’t get to cause one until you’re capable of providing for it.

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Anonymous 22h

Actually, for you specifically, complete nullification.

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Anonymous 22h

You don’t.

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Anonymous 22h

Yup! Swinging far left to get rid of the bullshit harm you want to force on women and other minorities. Your ilk will be forgotten.

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Anonymous 22h

Which is why you’re not going to keep oppressing us no matter how much you wish you could have a house slave.

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Anonymous 22h

Just had my 5th abortion!

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Anonymous replying to -> #14 22h

I’m gonna go have 10 in his honour.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 18h

Pregnancy is a sacred fucking thing. Every time the government has ever gotten involved in it it’s been to control women or for eugenics. The government shouldn’t take away your ability to get pregnant more than they should force you to stay so. Children are not a punishment. If you hit me with your car tomorrow, you don’t owe me a kidney despite it being your fault. You’ll survive you’ll be fine. You’ll be permanently altered but it’s your own fault right?

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 18h

Forced sex is called rape bro. Of course that’s how you view it though and that’s how you’re going to talk about it because you refuse to think about anything other than women always being at fault

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 18h

You know the opposite could be said that every time that the government has gotten involved with women’s reproductive health it’s been for eugenics or control reasons. The government has no place in controlling anything. Planned parenthood offers a choice but you’re right in the past the government has control controlled who gets to be pregnant and who has to stay that way and it’s never gone right

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 18h

If I hit you with my car tomorrow, am I killing you by not giving you my kidney? I’d survive I’d be fine. I’d also be fine and I’d survive if you had to live off of my body for the next nine months until you recover from me hitting you with my car. Do I owe you that?

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 18h

I have sex because it’s awesome. Can you keep your breeder kink to yourself?

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 16h

Postpartum conditions exist, you know. Depression, psychosis, broken tailbone or stretched out body, etc. and have you ever seen a video on how to pee after you have a baby? I recommend watching one, just for perspective. Not to mention a healthy pregnancy is still traumatizing to go through. You get sick in the morning, you crave weird foods and cry at the stupidest things, you can get incontinent, you have to carry the weight of a watermelon inside of you for roughly 273 days, I could go on…

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 16h

And if you don’t have a support system, you have to go through all of that while still having to work to live and put food on the table not only for you but for your baby, while maternal instincts and hormones are messing your mind up and your body feels heavy and stretched out.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 16h

By the way, doms don’t completely erase the chance of conceiving. And let me ask you this: if abortion is murder, is miscarriage manslaughter? Why don’t we put those who miscarry in jail? They killed a human being, even if it was an accident. Isn’t that involuntary manslaughter?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

You realize that people who kill a pregnant woman get charged with two counts of murder right?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 16h

So the charge would be involuntary manslaughter, then

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 16h

Yes, I do. That’s not what I was asking.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

So you admit that the law classifies an unborn child as a person when it’s convenient, yet doesn’t when it lets the mother kill them without consequence?

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 16h

These inequitable laws that treat a fetus as a human in one case but not in another go to prove my point that this issue has no good, clear answer, and we’ll probably never have one, so let’s stop treating this like it’s black and white. Let the individual choose what is right for themselves, and, like I said earlier, they will be judged in the afterlife for whatever is truly the right decision.

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Anonymous replying to -> #15 16h

You absolutely owe the baby you created a safe environment to develop. The baby is completely defenseless relying on your protection and nurturing. Your analogy is more accurate if you blindfolded me, put me in the street, then hit me with your car. The only difference is the baby is born in the road. If I killed people I didnt find convenient my life would be easier too, that’s not bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

Do you think that someone who kills a pregnant woman should be charged with double murder?

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 16h

To be completely honest, I don’t know.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

Fair enough, I appreciate the honesty. Though, if you’re not sure about that, how can you be sure of the right answer regarding the legality of elective abortions? It seems to me that it would be difficult to be entirely pro-choice if I didn’t know if I considered abortion murder or not.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 16h

You’re a f ing hypocrite. Shouldn’t a child not be punished for the sins of their parent? If you truly valued the life of fetuses, you wouldn’t support abortion for rape victims.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

I didn’t say I support it, I said it’s understandable. Bc in that case the victim didn’t have a choice. Having abortion in those cases and with cases like life if the mother would erase like 95% of cases, which would be great.

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 16h

Like I said before, I think we should leave the decision of the morality up to the individual. It’s not like the law decides what people think is right or wrong. People don’t think jaywalking is a sin, do they? They have the freedom to make that choice, and they will be judged for it eventually. I know that if I ever had an unwanted pregnancy, I personally wouldn’t have the heart to end its life and I know the guilt would eat me alive if I got an abortion, even if they were legal and available.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16h

In the vast majority of cases, law follows common morality. Sure there are laws like speed limits and jaywalking that are there to protect public safety, but as far as the “major” crimes, they’re based on common morality. What are you referring to with the “judged for it eventually” part of your comment?

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 16h

However, just because I wouldn’t get an abortion, doesn’t mean my decision is the correct one. I don’t want to force my opinion on everyone if I’m not entirely certain that it’s the right one. Also, from a utilitarian perspective, legalizing abortion leads to less deaths overall as people don’t resort to illegal methods which are deadlier to the expecting person.

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 15h

As a Christian, I believe we will all be judged for our sins in the afterlife. Many other religions believe something similar. Thus, in difficult decisions like this, I leave the judgement to God who knows the right answer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 6h

eyes are ONLY for seeing, sex is for multiple purposes. intimacy is a valid reason to have sex. if you think sex is only meant for fertilization, do you believe condoms are unethical & pointless?

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 6h

“take all the good guys’ guns away!” do you think there’s a “good person” test when people buy firearms 💀 the way you think gun control won’t inhibit shootings is insane btw. and you don’t need a goddamn assault rifle, make do with a pistol.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 6h

do you think rape victims should be allowed to get an abortion? if yes, explain how you’d plan to make a system to determine if someone was raped? it’s not like rape is heavily underreported or anything…

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Anonymous replying to -> #16 3h

Cook

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Anonymous replying to -> #12 3h

Or I got banned because you soft goobers like to report everything

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 55m

Condoms and birth control are a recent thing women and lgbtq+ groups fought for while our people died in the streets. I refuse to go back to an era where the church dictated who lives and dies. Reproductive health is important in all aspects. If you want to go back to the aids epidemic and wives dyeing slowly while their doctors and husbands kept them in the dark move to any other part of the world that hates women but our parents and grandparents worked too damn hard for this

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