Anonymous #1 1w

yes because i wanna see how many people can actually give real events instead of just saying he’s a bad person 😭 wtf obviously ik it’s true im just tryna see if people can state events while claiming he’s a bad person so yall don’t just look like ur following a herd 😭😭

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Anonymous #1 1w

oh hell no yall better not take this n say im slow bc im already knowing hes racist and greedy, i already know why too, it’s just bc i was on tiktok and this girl commented saying he was racist and all of these things but she couldn’t even back herself up when maga came at her! embarrassing right! so i want to see if everyone’s actually like that or if people can back up their arguments too. i just worded the post poorly because it was just how it came into my head 😭

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Anonymous #1 1w

uninformed and unintelligent following, the insurrection of jan 6, uses tax payer money to fund his businesses, banned muslim-majority countries travel, wants to end birth right citizenship, wants to ban abortions, wants to end gay marriage, doesn’t care abt the climate and withdrew from paris climate agreement, taking away SNAP benefits , restriction of freedom of press, supports white supremicists

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Anonymous #1 1w

omg i didn’t mean to reply to u im sorry i meant it as a general post i appreciate this sm

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Anonymous #1 1w

i could go on for days

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Anonymous #2 1w

idk why the convicted criminal fact isn’t enough to scare people off 😭 why do people overlook it so much

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Anonymous #2 1w

not even just off one or 2 counts… but 30 fucking 4 😭

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Anonymous OP 1w

i always like to pull up the video of them reporting on it with the “count 1..guilty. count 2.. guilty…”

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Anonymous #1 1w

😂😂 stealing this

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Anonymous OP 1w

Exactly, and he somehow still won the popular vote. If anyone else had done what he had, they would’ve been captured and deported by ICE by now

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Anonymous #2 1w

Not defending Trump, but it’s possible because the constitution allows it. He met all 3 qualifications to be president. If there’s no real uproar from citizens to Congress for meaningful change/amendments, it will happen again.

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Anonymous #3 1w

i do like this argument but the only fall out with this is that we don’t know for sure if obama results were higher since he had 8 consecutive years while this is trumps first full year back in office since 2020, obamas way was more effective with keeping illegal criminal immigrants out, but i do feel like trump will eventually deport wayyyy more by the time he is done with this term. but this is obviously because he is deporting anyone, not just criminals. so i do see what you mean by affective

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Anonymous OP 1w

i just see how maga will jump in very quickly and say “well trump deported more in a year”, but again we all know WHY. it’s just that maga doesn’t see that as an issue. how can we debate that point and break it down?

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Anonymous #3 1w

but i love the idea of comparing, it does tend to get maga a little more silent

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Anonymous #3 1w

I never said if it was or wasn’t possible. Just pointing out the hypocrisy a voting for a felon as the president

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Anonymous #3 1w

this is also very true. i think in this case it’s more so the morals of it. the fact that people are okay with a felon being president. an argument is that “if he’s a felon it doesn’t matter if he’s running the country well” but then again, it only sets up this impression and a really, really bad image

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Anonymous #3 1w

also, magas biggest argument is trump is deporting illegal CRIMINALS, but trump himself is a criminal? and then when u say that they like to say his crimes are invalid.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’m noooooo a trumper, but the s&p literally hit $7,000 for the first time like three days ago. ‘Tanked the economy’??🤨🤨🤨

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Anonymous #4 1w

The stock market is easily manipulated. Trump and his billionaire friends can artificially inflate/deflate it to make more money

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Anonymous #1 1w

How did he tank the economy - compared to the last three presidents?

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Anonymous #2 1w

You clearly have no clue how the market works, respectfully. Index markets worry about fiscal policy aka what the Fed does with overnight rates, expectations on future rates, and liquidity in financial plumbing. Trump can absolutely move the market intra day with his stupid ass tweets, but it’s not directly him that inflates markets lmao. If you want to talk about unemployment, inflation, that’s another story. But the markets have hit all time highs while all these pressures exist.

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Anonymous OP 1w

*Effective. The point is Obama is one example, you can run the same comparison with past Presidents. In the end Trump will have had two terms and due to he’s inefficiency in execution and budget, he may not exceed Obama’s numbers.

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Anonymous #3 1w

No president dictates the economy, the only people that can inflate or deflate the economy legitimately is the federal reserve by expanding or decreasing their balance sheet

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Anonymous #1 1w

Why can’t you respond with a logical argument that isn’t a regurgitation of a politician, influencer or meme?

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Thanks genius

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Stocks can still go up despite underlying pressures, as I mentioned above. I’m not gonna explain myself again if you want to reply read what I said first

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Anonymous OP 1w

arguing w maga is pointless bc their arguments are rarely based on fact therefore fact cannot change their minds and you can’t rlly explain to ppl why they should care abt other ppl

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Anonymous #3 1w

what are you on about

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And the ‘stock market’ and indicator of the economy, is not decided by the president, Trump, Biden, Obama, bush, none of them

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Anonymous #4 1w

I didn’t say President’s dictate the economy. Presidents can only partially influence the economy. Congress has even more influence, and The Fed has the most control but doesn’t exist in a bubble. Their argument is on Trump influence as president, which is why I asked for compared to which recent president.

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Anonymous #1 1w

saying its pointless is exactly why we have a divide and it’s exactly why they never grow. i never understood people just saying “that’s how they are just leave it” it’s because they have never had a true genuine debate where people have the patience to go over things with them. if u don’t have these important conversations with them, they’ll only think “my point is right and that’s why nobody can tell me otherwise” these convos get their gears moving whether they show it or not.

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Anonymous #1 1w

learn instead of separate, teach instead of hate

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Anonymous OP 1w

The point is not to silence MAGA, or any political group. We are all Americans. The point is honest evaluation of the past, to make the right choices in future for ALL Americans.

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Anonymous #4 1w

US dollar has been significantly weakened . tariffs are costing everyday households gradually. tourism will be tanked with his heinous “immigration policies”. global investors are not as interested in american assets at all.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Typo, jesus! I meant to say NOT the economy

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Anonymous #4 1w

president’s policies absolutely can influence the economy greatly

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Anonymous OP 1w

i understand this sentiment but i have learned the hard way not to waste time with people who don’t want to learn or discuss they just want to argue or be “right”. i guarantee the majority of maga people who you debate with absolutely have had a real debate where people did exactly that and they ignored it or pushed it to the side

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Anonymous OP 1w

and this only works if people are willing to learn …

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Anonymous OP 1w

and my point still stands because i’m unsure how you plan on changing a view with facts if the view isn’t based on facts just regurgitated from someone else? they’re also grown ass adults you shouldn’t have to hold their hand and walk them through why killing people is wrong and being racist is wrong etc

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Anonymous #2 1w

What’s the hypocrisy?

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Anonymous #3 1w

He says he’s throwing out criminals by deporting them when he’s more of a criminal than all of them. And how he’s the leader of the country despite everything he’s done

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Anonymous #3 1w

deporting illegal immigrants who are “CRIMINALS” (even though he’s been deporting many innocent people) when trump himself was convicted on 34 counts. remember obamas speech? we have always deported illegal immigrants who went against the law. never has it been this controversial. why do you think? how many innocent people have ice agents shot so far as these mass deportations begun? much more than other presidents i assure you.

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Anonymous #2 1w

my bad I wasn’t clear, you said “the hypocrisy voting for a felon as president” and this is why I asked what’s hypocrisy (in voting for a felon)? He was tried, convicted, sentenced and still eligible.

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Anonymous #3 1w

The party that he’s from says they pride themselves on family values and put this man on a pedestal despite everything he’s done

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Anonymous OP 1w

It is not illegal (criminal) to be president after past convictions have been satisfied.

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Anonymous #3 1w

i think we can all agree when i say it’s the morals behind it. why do you say “why would we want killers and rapists in our country” when one is literally LEADING our country

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Anonymous #2 1w

To be fair both Republicans and Democrats are hypocrites at their respective values. Mainstream politicians on both sides build their careers on flip flopping (hypocrisy).

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Anonymous #3 1w

i agree with this. this is why i just like to go with my own morals and use that to interpret right from wrong. i have seen far too many contradictions on each side. also the way they bully others into believing the same as them. gross.

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Anonymous #3 1w

this is why i am neither

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Anonymous #3 1w

i think it’s hypocritical to go after undocumented ppl and hide behind the “they’re criminals” act when they voted for a criminal. i also think it’s hypocritical considering they say that they care about upholding the law but don’t care about their president breaking it continuously

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Anonymous #5 1w

as a politician he shamelessly uses racism, sexism, homophobia, and bigotry to rile up his base. he has encouraged violence and allied with neo-Nazis. he has openly stated that his goal is to become a dictator and he has tried to rig or entirely end elections. plus his environmental policies have caused an astounding amount of damager

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s not even true😭😭, DXY is at ~96 so you’re right about the dollar weakening, but Japan, Canada, and several others have INCREASED investments in US bonds just this year. Just because gold is up doesn’t mean nobody wants US treasuries, they’re just diversifying risks, which is normal behavior given our debt dynamics. But saying global investors aren’t interested in American assets is factually false which ever way you want to put it.

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Anonymous #1 1w

No entity besides the Fed can directly influence the economy, that’s just a fact. Trump has the power with his loud mouth to drop the market in a short time span, but it’s not anything structural. Just because Trump tweets doesn’t mean the stock market collapses long term😭😭

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Anonymous #3 1w

The fed doesn’t correlate to what presidents say or do, correct. But it absolutely controls reserves, and its balance sheet. The issue has nothing to with a lack of control or ‘not existing in a bubble’, that’s nonsense. The feds current problem is a result of their own doing during COVID times when they felt the need to print a dumb amount of money, and now our debt is sky high, our gov deficits are only growing, and plumbing in overnight markets are sensitive

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Anonymous #3 1w

Meaning the Fed locked themselves into a corner essentially, you can’t just undo that amount of printing the did. They had rates near zero and pumped trillions of dollars, rates near zero means everybody borrows, so debt at low rates good at the time, but we see the result now. Printing again would crush the bond market, but raising rates again would kill anybody trying to get cash, the system the Fed created is why we’re here. Has nothing to do with politics

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Anonymous OP 1w

Because no one can name the crime he’s convicted of.

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