
“hey guys I know I made a heil hitler song and profited off it and have spent the last few years legitimizing actual real Nazis but that’s not who I am!!!” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 We’re so far past this, damage is done. I hope yall arent desperate and stupid enough to believe this shit. BIPOLAR DISORDER DOES NOT MAKE YOU A NAZI
people in the comments not realizing that mental illnesses are ILLNESSES and aren't always all pretty and romanticized like you see on social media. sure most people with bipolar disorder never experience this but it's different for everyone and some people are a lot sicker than others. it's great that you've never been so out of touch with reality to experience something like this but he has. it doesn't negate the damage he did but it is absolutely an acceptable explanation for his behavior.
Not a kanye fan but also bipolar I myself. I don’t think a lot of people understand the extent of these manic episodes sometimes. Mental illness isn’t all staring out the window poetically and starving yourself, it can come with very real delusions that can happen on this scale, especially to someone who already has some sort of feeling of grandiosity. It’s not my place to forgive him because I’m not jewish, but I think it’s an issue a lot more multifaceted than many think.
all “nazism” aside, this was very well written and a very good explanation of what bipolar disorder is and what it does to someone. i have struggled with many a hypomanic episode and have 2 uncles who both struggle with bipolar disorder worse than me. one of my uncles, during an episode, became convinced he was being poisoned with arsenic and was CONVINCED it was my mother, his biological sister who basically raised him. my other uncle (same side) has had a few episodes and a few moments…
I think a team of therapists and press control wrote this. I also think it’s mostly true. It’s very obvious based on his beliefs before and after going on this tyrade that this was a product of his mental illness. Nazis are notorious for targeting people with mental illnesses. Bipolar disorder doesn’t “turn you into a nazi” but it does make you gravitate towards the extreme and it makes you incredibly vulnerable to manipulation. This should never have gotten any media attention (1)
as someone literally studying mental health psychology: BPD DOES NOT MAKE YOU A NAZI. i have a good set of friends who have BPD and definitely done and said some CRAZY/mean stuff, but not a single one has resorted to racism, antisemitism, transphobia, etc. like truly there is more going on (schizophrenia maybe) and he’s weaponizing his BPD to avoid discussing it or this is blatantly just him weaponizing his BPD. we’ve had too many times he’s “apologized” just to turn round say some n@z! shit.
Guys we have to remember that he has a disease and this disease causes major delusions and makes you vulnerable to ideals you don’t normally follow. He was misguided and obviously feels remorseful about his actions, being mentally ill is NOT for the weak and in many cases it causes people to harm themselves and others. Please try to find sympathy for him, he’s a human and humans make mistakes. You can’t tell me you’ve never made mistakes or have never been wrong on certain ideologies
“Mental illness doesn’t turn you into anything” what’s your evidence for this? That lots of bipolar people aren’t nazis? So what! The claim isn’t that all bipolars are nazis. It’s that it can, for some people, strongly influence them to become one. That seems true, even if it’s uncomfortable.
sweetheart what i don’t give a shit about is his mental illness. everyone know has mental issues and none of us are fucking nazis. he has a platform and he uses it for all the wrong reasons. he could be on his death bed and i wouldn’t care. no excuse for spreading hate like he does
now i'm not even necessarily talking about somebody who's impaired. there is no racism pathway in the brain. there are fear, disgust, anger, etc. and all of these can be directed towards various groups (racial, religious, gender, sexual) but that doesn't mean mental illness "indeed, does turn lots of people into conspiracy theorists and radical extremists" this is blatantly bigoted in and of itself
i have been in psych wards 4 times and have met racist people but they are self hating black ppl (only 2) so its not that its not true because they do exist. they werent nazis tho. i myself might be called racist but i see it as pattern recognition, i dont hate anyone for their race or believe myself as superior but i do notice the statistics of others and my own race.
Taking accountability and not changing is not bpd, that's being an asshole. He's not some asylum patient, he is an educated wealthy man who is very independent, there is no one to blame besides himself for putting these thoughts into the mainstream. Maybe if these were things he blurted out in private and apologized personally for once I would get it. But this is public and constant, targeted and thought out
That shit wasn't mania, it was lucid and on purpose. It's pretty well documented that he wasn't losing his mind while doing ts and has had a of a history of adoration for Hitler and what not. Every appearance he made he was talking coherently and it lasted for years and years with this not being his first or even second apology. I'm not saying he can't change, just that it's his responsibility to and that this was his fault, not his mental illness
how can you know the mental state of someone that hasn’t made their medical records from that time period public knowledge? Mental illness doesn’t automatically mean a person will sound like they’re on drugs. People have psychotic breaks that last years it’s not unheard of. Like he said it doesn’t justify what he said but he has more of an excuse than most other antisemites
mental illness is defined by symptoms that cause harm to oneself and others. We as a society have done an ok job accepting that harmful behaviors towards oneself can be understood through mental illness. we have struggled to have that acceptance for symptoms that harm others. This is why people tend to demonize personality disorders. it is absolutely true that any number of disorders can make it harder act like “a good person.” that doesn’t mean that it is impossible, or that no one does.
So like can we stop comparing schizophrenia and bipolar disorder they may have a lot of genetic components that are the same but they are in fat completely different disorders with different symptoms. All that needs to be talked about here is bipolar disorder which doesn’t turn you into an a$$hole. You’re likely using schizophrenia because it does make someone a conspiracy theorist of sorts due to delusions and hallucinations but the two are not the same disorder
It’s a reason but not an excuse. Also, if this is the case, the people around him who ARE in touch with reality should either get him medicated or strip him of his influence. Whatever it is, he has caused significant harm and I don’t rlly give a shit at this point what illnesses he has. He NEEDS proper meds.
/beliefs that stand out. including him driving to california convinced he was playing Jesus in a movie, and him threatening to kill my mother (and potentially the rest of my family). does the fact that they were struggling mentally excuse death and other threats on our family? absolutely not. but a lot of the reason there’s still bad blood between us and them is that they refuse to get help.
Okay idgaf about Kanye but as someone with Schitzoaffective which is the baby of both of these (currently untreated). It does not. I may think my bf is an alien or I’m living in a simulation or dream state sometimes but I have NEVER been racist or anything of the sort. The extremisms are based on your character more than anything. I’m creative so mine are wonky but ik someone who created a whole religion before bc they were reading up on them before their episode
Dumbest shit I've read in a minute. Why tf do you think it's called a ***comparison***??? If they were the same it wouldn't be a comparison you dingaling 😭 They compare because alcoholism restructures the brain, and mental illness is an existing difference in the brain structure. In both cases you have people with brains that are "wired" differently than typical people - and some of those differences overlap in alcoholic and bipolar people. It's a fine comparison
You're just wrong. Mental illness does not "indeed" turn people into conspiracy theorists and radical extremists. People's environments turn them into those things. Mental illness is a catalyst, not a cause, of extreme thinking. Those thoughts had to exist prior to any episodes/outbursts. Mental illness doesn't just rewire the brain for bigoted thinking. Digging your heels in for what? What do you gain from spreading misinfo?
#22 is an armchair psychologist and enjoyer of misinfo. they don't want to be correct; they want to argue as if they are correct regardless of how nonsensical it is. the whole "hOw dO yoU cOmPare diFferent thinGs?!" should be a telltale sign that this person does not often engage in dialectics or analysis beyond an elementary level
i should clarify what im sayin a lil more- just because my friends havent said as awful as shit like he has doesnt make it impossible. bpd are wildly hard to deal with. my gripes are how much of his n@z! behavior is blamed on only his bpd episodes. but i digress and while im hesitant to feel like he will, i do hope that he can finally get the help that he’s been needing to get for straight up decades now.
I'm just so sick of these m orons running their mouths about shit they have no clue about. Like why??? What's the goal? They gain nothing. Their community gains nothing. The people they lie about gain nothing. It's a lose-lose-lose situation but I guess they get the dopamine of getting a few upvotes from people who also know nothing about the subject???
What is with people being so willing to excuse Nazism as just “mental illness”? Last year you guys wanted to claim Elon was a Nazi because he’s autistic. And why is it “oh it’s just mental health, we should hope he gets better” when someone is a Nazi but when someone is trans “it’s a mental illness and they should be killed for it”
(2) and Im very glad he has ongoing therapists helping him. Imagine breaking from reality in this political climate as a worshipped public figure. As someone who experiences delusions and mania, the idea that people could easily take advantage of my vulnerability while I’m manic is perpetually terrifying. You have no control over what you believe anymore. Bipolar disorder sucks.
As someone studying mental health psychology… you should know that the acronym for Bipolar Disorder is BP. Often seen as BP1 or BP2 to differentiate between the two types of bipolar. BPD is borderline personality disorder. Bipolar is a mood disorder while Bordeline is a personality disorder. Please look into that and do the proper research. Also, yeah… bipolar doesn’t inherently turn you into a nazi. HOWEVER it can intensify pre-existing problematic beliefs.
Also, I hate that as someone who says they’re studying mental health… you don’t seem to understand it. We all come with certain beliefs that are problematic but when you exist with mental health issues such as bipolar it can warp into something much much worse. It’s not an excuse it’s a literal reason. And as someone who’s going to work in that industry you should know that wtf
You people are actually so uneducated. what help do you think is out there for people with bipolar? Do you think that the help actually helps?!?! The pills they give you sedate you and turn you into a fucking robot. Either that or they’ll look for any excuse to institutionalize you. maybe as a country we need to better research mental health and provide ACTUAL help. I have been absolutely traumatized by people claiming they want to help and just made it worse.
You want this to be an excuse so you can argue against it. But it’s not. It’s just a completely accurate fact and you need to stop arguing against it. Institutions are to this day underfunded and frequently abusive, yes even the ones for rich people. Treatment options for bipolar disorder are not cures, can make things worse, or do nothing in many cases. You can argue that Kanye sucks without denying bipolar healthcare is atrocious and needs more funding.
thats fine. my point was disagreeing with #29 that mental illness "indeed, does turn people into conspiracy theorists and radical extremists" and you've already agreed with this by acknowledging bipolar presents differently in different people. idc if you lack the intellectual range for basic comparisons - that's your own problem and it's moot now
Supporting lmao??? Hitler actually mass murdered people. Kanye made some tweets during an episode not went out and shot Jews. Literally shut tf up. Half of yall have the most racist meemaw and peepaws and let it slide but when it comes to a black man, yeah he’s the same as hitler!? Shut up
i tried to kms, i have several mental illnesses and i advocate for mental health. i dont defend nazis. you can care about and understand mental illness without using it as an excuse. maybe better advocate for mental health in the real world instead of against people who hate nazis
Bipolar delusions are absolutely not a reflection of the bipolar person’s ideology that is so dangerous to believe. Bipolar disorder can create delusions based on previously held beliefs, it can create delusions based on things you’re scared of (ie believing you are the devil), and it can create delusions based on things you don’t believe but have vaguely heard about before. AND None. Of. This. Is. An. Excuse. For. The. Disgusting. Things. He. Did.
You’re literally saying that none of it is his fault and the guy who has spent the last decade of his life calling himself a black Nazi and getting other Nazis into positions of power. Somehow none of that makes him a Nazi in your book. If I have to get blamed for every little social mistake I make with autism then Kanye can be criticized for being a Nazi
You clearly have no desire to understand what is being said to you. You’ve created a black and white perspective with no desire to change it. In your mind, there’s only two sides “Kanye is an evil nazi who’s mental illness had nothing to do with his deeply held nazi beliefs” or “Kanye is a victim of circumstance, his bipolar disorder did everything and he holds no moral obligation for his decisions” No matter what I say, you cannot imagine a perspective outside of these two.
I’m not the one refusing to look at a different perspective. I’m tired of being told that I’m a bad person because I think Nazis are bad. It’s not black and white to point out that the guy being a Nazi, is a Nazi. I’m not the one insisting that bipolar people have no control over themselves and we should just celebrate them when they put a Nazi into office
to be clear I will never like Kanye. I agree he did a lot of real harm and that he doesn’t just get to be forgiven without earning it and working to undo the harm he caused. I just think that it is very clear that his mental illness played a large part in what he did. mental illness does not absolve you of responsibility for your actions. it can, however, help explain them.
He is to blame for the things he did because he did them. it doesn’t matter if the “true self under his mental illness” wanted to do them. why is that so hard to understand. When I stop talking to my friends because of my anxiety, thats ON ME. and I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. even if I didn’t want to do it. and no one has to forgive me for it.
They are saying the illness begins the process but once those thoughts come into your head it's your fault if you listen to them. Like just because you're really hungry doesn't mean you should eat your grandma, it's on you if you eat your grandma. But you still decided to eat your grandma because you were hungry
Listen to their last comment because it’s the first honest thing they’ve said. They think you’re disagreeing because you’re responding to them and there’s nothing you can do to convince them you agree on anything no matter how small. You should stop responding its feeding their bs.
Oh yeah my myb. Well schizophrenic people literally see and hear things that aren't there, bipolar is essentially mood swings. I know it can get very harsh but it won't make you a racist. If you have a little shadow guy yelling the nword all day or something I can't really blame someone for saying crazy shit
That’s a misconception! Bipolar disorder is not just mood swings. It does involve shifting between “mania” and “depression” but these are not just moods. Bipolar disorder often comes with psychosis, this can be delusions and/or hallucinations. Both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder cause psychosis.
Oh interesting. So you think it's possible Ye had hallucinations? It didn't ever seem like he had bipolar that bad but maybe after his mom died it got way worse. I guess you'd still have to listen to the hallucinations by choice but idk. I don't think it's realistic to assume he ever had it that bad
I would not ponder as to whether or not he has hallucinations, there’s no evidence of that. It’s just a true fact about bipolar disorder in general. It is much less common to have hallucinations if you have bipolar disorder than schizophrenia. Hallucinations would also be unrelated to what he did. Delusions are the more significant factor and as someone with both, I find delusions to be much worse than hallucinations.
The one thing everyone has at end of the day to hold onto is who they are. The horrifying thing about delusions is that they take that away. When I have hallucinations I can at least trust myself even if I can’t trust what Im seeing around me. When I have delusions, I can’t trust myself. My thoughts are no longer mine, it’s a nightmare.
He probably doubled down because he felt that he was alone and isolated. The whole world was making fun of him, called him crazy and made memes about his manic episodes. Please find empathy and grace for your fellow humans, because at the end of the day he’s a man. Have a blessed day guys, I love you🫶🫶
Lmao. The hope that helps is always the most condescending bullshit. Okay what kind of bipolar do you have? I’m gonna go ahead and assume you just have hypo mania and not full blown mania. Bc anyone who has full blown mania understands that they be spewing the most random bullshit during an episode. All of our symptoms affect us differently. Hope that helps!
Oh, and I forgot to add. Mania can be used as a reason for the behavior, not an excuse. You can murder someone while manic, but you still murdered someone. You can rob a store while manic, but you still robbed a store. It’s a reason for the actions, not an excuse! Hope that helps!
Yeah sure lol. i thought i was a fucking god, I’m sure if mania can make u feel like that it can also make u say some ignorant shit. and I’m not defending him. he has a large platform and did a serious amount of damage. but yeah his mania is still the explanation and we should be looking into how to actually help bipolar people so that these issues don’t continue happening. Me saying he did it during a manic episode ≠ im a Nazi supporter. Maybe read up on the condition you claim u have ❤️
The condition I claim to have? Love I’m diagnosed by my psychiatrist and am literally medicated 💀 i’ve been in an out of therapy for years and have tried numerous different medications. You make the claim that manic affects everyone differently, which is true… yet you’re acting like I’ve never experienced it before lmfao..
yeah clearly I do.. if u can’t simply understand that mania makes you do shit that you wouldn’t regularly do. and the whole “excuse” thing is so overused. like that’s literally a mental condition that someone can’t control. it’s so weird when people who claim to be bipolar say that lmao 😂
Mmm… no actually! I’m simply saying it sounds like you’re trying to give Kanye an excuse for his horrific actions! It doesn’t matter if he was manic or not, he still did those actions and it was inexcusable, meaning he doesn’t need to be forgiven. Especially not by the Jewish population, love.
As a fellow bipolar person, I have zero empathy or sympathy for him. Just because you go manic doesn’t excuse the behavior you did. He literally made swastika merch, said all jews should die, made a song against jewish people, actively and openly supported Hitler and praised his mentality. Why the hell is that excusable and deserving of sympathy??
A couple things to mention in this. Being bipolar (coming from a diagnosed bipolar 1) doesn’t MAKE YOU racist, antisemitic, homophobic, etc. It’s kind’ve like alcohol. You get drunk and say and do a bunch of dumb shit, but in the end you were thinking about saying and doing that shit to begin with. Being manic makes you tweak out and not realize wtf you’re doing, yes, I’m aware. Also, jewish isn’t a race. It’s a form of ethnoreligious identity that encompasses the history, culture and ancestry..
Have you ever been manic or experienced severe delusions? I’m not saying we should forget all of the terrible things he did or said, I just think we should think a little more deeply with how we view people. You’re not the same person when you’re in a severe mental episode. It’s 100% up to you if you want to forgive him or not, just remember he’s just a man
the thing with kanye is that he’s super rich and powerful with hundreds of yes men surrounding him. that might seem like the dream to most ppl but for a bipolar person, that’s one of the worst positions to be in. kanye doesn’t suffer any legitimate consequences for his actions like a normal person would, so he has way too much freedom, which leads to him doing crazy stuff like what you described.