*serious

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Anonymous #2 20w

Man cruise ships are just floating Petri dishes. Feels like every few years there’s an outbreak like this on one of em

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Anonymous #2 20w

Bunch of people packed in close quarters touching the same surfaces and stuff. Or breathing on each other or fucking

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Anonymous #2 20w

I guess it helps that they also pack people of different nationalities from all over onto them

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research the virus before u say anything. you are the type of person to be carry it based on ignorance alone🫩. no one wants to chance 40% morality when public health is underfund asf rn

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Anonymous #4 20w

Wtf does researching the virus have to do with leaving sick people to die on a boat. Seriously you guys make me feel like I’m in a simulation sometimes. You idiots are literally scared of something that’s killed 3 people thousands of miles away across an ocean. Take your own advice my God

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Damn yeah we don’t want a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the population to suffer when we could put over 8 billion at risk

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How about quarantine anyone who has likely exposure to the virus, on land or on a cruise ship. One possible way this could happen would be, idk, being on a fucking cruise ship with an outbreak??

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not without having them dock and expose the disease to who knows how many others. disease spreads FAST, especially given how many people we come into some form of contact with in a day. i say keep them on the boat until they're cleared, and then they can dock. until then it's quarantine vacation for them

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Yeah but quarantines fail, people disregard medical advice. They’re on a ship, sucks to suck, but they’re not getting anyone sick!

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Respectfully I think we all lived through covid, I don’t want to live through a covid with an almost 40% death rate. My entire family got covid twice, despite us social distancing. If it was hantavirus we probably would’ve lost someone.

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Wow so with many unknowns maybe we should make worst case decisions until we can safely decide otherwise!

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We definitely can keep them on the boat

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Anonymous #4 20w

U should research this disease cuz clearly u haven’t. The disease rarely spreads from person to person, it is mainly spread by contact with infected rodent waste, so the threat of them docking isn’t ANYWHERE near as high as Covid or any flu virus. Secondly, sacrifice the few to potentially save the many is fucking morbid. Try ur best to save everyone always

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Anonymous #12 20w

Well based off that, if only infected rodents can give it to humans that means there are rodents on the boat? It’s infected 3 people leading them to die either they had this disease or received it while on the boat, then apparently 4 others have been affected so I can see where it may sound like it can be transmitted human to human then considering viruses mutate….We don’t have enough info yet obviously, even the news headlines are not helping with over exaggeration of instant death 😭

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Anonymous #2 20w

Scared of something that’s across the ocean? You mean like Covid started across the ocean?

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So a quick google search the cdc says 1 in 110,000 will die of norovirus. While (according to World Health Organization) hantavirus is up to 50% in the americas. I’d argue one is a bit more fear worthy

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So fyi viruses are notorious for mutating, causing unknowns.

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Correct, people didn’t freak out about an illness where nobody died, people are worried about an illness with a high mortality rate

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Anonymous #12 20w

Yeah well the world is morbid, people die of horrific diseases all the time. You rarely can save everyone. You gotta learn how the world works broski

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Anonymous #6 20w

If you guys actually knew anything about what you were talking about you’d know that’s cause to be less worried about a broader outbreak. And that diseases with high mortality tend to have significantly diminished communicability bc the patients are too sick to go out and spread it. Unlike asymptomatic covid. Not to mention you have to have prolonged close contact and touching to get this. You’re not going to get it by walking past somebody in a hallway. These people got it trapped on a small sh

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Anonymous #2 20w

ship of only 150 people. 🙄😒

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Anonymous #6 20w

Literally tells me “viruses are notorious for mutating” a fact everybody knows and doesn’t even realize or acknowledge that both illnesses previously mentioned are viral infections 😒. Gee thanks

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Anonymous #2 20w

How many people died from the norovirus example you gave

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Anonymous #2 20w

Both were viral only one has a 40% mortality rate… what is your point. Idk abt you but I’m more willing to risk some relatively mild symptoms then a painful death

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I think their point was how one of them is 44,000 times more likely to kill you…

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Anonymous #6 20w

What is yours. Maybe just shutup

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Anonymous #2 20w

Holy rage bait 💀

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Anonymous #7 20w

This person actually thinks it's impossible to quarantine them "without having them dock and expose the disease to who knows how many others" Actually it's completely possible. people train and build careers around this. Are you people serious. How do 30 + of you upvote this. I can't believe we're of the same species. Proper PPE and quarantine protocols exist…

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Anonymous #6 20w

Ikr 💀, how many replies are you at by now

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Anonymous #2 20w

In my defense a majority of the population is as dense as you’re hopefully acting

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Anonymous #6 20w

You’re triggered af rn go for a walk and put down the phone

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Anonymous #2 20w

Extremely mad, there’s quite literally steam coming out of my ears

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Anonymous #2 20w

Like what does that even mean, “…is as dense as you’re hopefully acting”. You’re not a nice person. You’re not smart. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re an angry emotional troll who enjoys being mean and being a keyboard warrior on the internet despite how it affects anyone else. Try taking a look at yourself in the mirror before you start throwing stones. Which you do literally everyday while smugly giving your own atrocious behavior a pass. While being the worst of us

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Anonymous #6 20w

they’re not getting anyone sick but it’s spreading? they are harvesting whatever bacteria on that boat & can keep it. the disease kills 50% it infects.

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Anonymous #6 20w

We know, we can tell

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Anonymous #6 20w

And I didn’t even ask you how mad you are lol

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Anonymous #12 20w

and they are still trying to figure out how tf it spread.

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Yo u need anger management bad. And u need to learn how to communicate effectively without swearing… ur an adult no?

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Anonymous #17 20w

Also need to learn when enough is enough and when to accept you’re wrong.

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Anonymous #18 20w

Smartest person in this comment section btw

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Anonymous #16 20w

Wrong about what? I just called u out. Stop spewing bs. Have a good day weirdo😭

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Anonymous #17 20w

I think they were on ur side

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Anonymous #22 20w

None of us are looking for a sequel lmao

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Anonymous #12 20w

The bubonic plague was from fleas on rodents too, they spread fast. Viruses mutate. They should be quarantined until virologists know more and potentially figure out a way to prevent any spread. Honestly if you have to be quarantined, a cruise ship doesn’t seem like the worst place to be stuck.

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Anonymous #18 20w

I’d be down for like a week long sequel, but no longer, and definitely not with a 40% lethality!

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You wanna go get on the boat?

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Anonymous #5 20w

Dude finals are over for most of us

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Anonymous #25 20w

I wish man still got the rest of this week then finals week

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Anonymous #18 20w

Ever heard of how many people go missing on them and are never found?

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Anonymous #25 20w

Also, Hantavirus comes from consuming rodent urine. The entire cruise ship line needs to be shut down immediately for health code violations.

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Anonymous #25 20w

Yes unfortunately

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Anonymous #2 20w

They should just dock at your house, you seem lovely

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Anonymous #23 20w

a cruise ship is a great place to be quarantined… until they stop providing cruise ship food and amenities. agree that they should stay where they are, and receive medical assistance on board, though.

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Anonymous #2 20w

maybe someone would be willing to listen to you if you weren't calling everyone else so moronic that they must not be human. your hostility makes your argument almost untrustworthy... ad hominem. constructive arguments are not done this way

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Anonymous #6 20w

Damn, sucks to suck

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Anonymous #7 20w

This one spreads like an std, not through the air

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Anonymous #11 20w

This disease has existed since the 50’s, widespread transmission is a complete non isssue. Bring ppl ashore and treat them, u have no idea what ur talking about

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Anonymous immortal.snail 20w

it’s more accurate to say it’s transmitted through fluids (rodent to human) than “like an STD”, since the latter will make people think it’s transmitted through sexual contact.

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Anonymous #2 20w

Weird comment. As if outbreaks are a result of DEI versus poor bacteria management

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Anonymous #2 20w

Point is if they dock they can spread it to all of the nations that everyone on the boat goes home too. Diseases spread like wildfire so it's thousands of miles away rn but when they go home they all go home to different places

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Anonymous #2 20w

Bro shut up 🫩

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Anonymous #43 20w

I mostly agree, but I’d bet anything that ship gets the worlds best extermination lol

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Anonymous #12 20w

If you volunteer you and your family to be the ones helping these people off a boat and making sure none of the violate quarantine then sure! Otherwise, don’t be so quick to offer up other people as sacrifices that will have to deal with the outbreak on board if the ship docks.

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Anonymous #2 20w

The high mortality rate leading to less spread bc people are too sick to move is just speculation. Truth it if that wad the case then the black death wouldn’t have done shit, but instead it wiped out half of europe. Why? Because people don’t give a shit and will go around anyways. Or it spreads to their caregivers who then can spread it more before they enter the death stage. Proper PPE can still fail and people can also do the thing called disobeying quarantine bc they don’t care.

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Anonymous #2 20w

You are under the assumption the sick people actually understand disease and care enough to obey quarantine, which from what we’ve seen from covid is clearly not the case. You should volunteer to get on the ship to care for them if you care that much but don’t go around sacrificing other people.

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Anonymous #16 20w

Bc some people are idiots and would let the person with the bite mark and foaming mouth into the shelter during the zombie apocalypse

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Anonymous #44 20w

Again u clearly don’t understand this disease. Ppl don’t need to be quarantined. It doesn’t spread like that. We have like 200k cases of this disease annually. It’s not a big deal to dock and let them get treatment. I repeat transmission has never been a big concern with this disease

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Anonymous #44 20w

The black plague still exists u fucking idiot. It’s just not a problem in modern civilization because we don’t live in literal shit and piss. In ancient Europe ppl used to live on top of each other in extremely disgusting cities with both human and animal waste all over the place, THAT is why it spread so much. Those circumstances are not an issue now. It’s the same with this disease.

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Anonymous #12 20w

I’m aware it exists, but we actually have good treatment for it now unlike the hantavirus where we don’t have that. Now understand that in a cruise ship they’re living right on top of each other? Hopefully not in shit and piss but they are all mingling very germy. Also the plague didn’t spread through that anyways, idiot.

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Anonymous #12 20w

And yet somehow they all still spread onto the ship in the first place causing and outbreak, but you’re saying an outbreak is not possible. Explain that? Go volunteer yourself to help out.

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Anonymous #1 20w

The people on it need medical attention, I’m not saying everyone should be allowed to run free, they should be quarentined until deemed safe but people are DYING

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Anonymous #12 20w

I think youre the one that doesnt understand disease buddy. People do need to be quarantined. We have 200k cases even after measures are in place because this shit still spreads. Or alternative, let help go to them instead of unleashing the disease onto innocent people? Again if you are willing to risk it you should volunteer to go onboard and help them since apparently you understand disease so much better than the college forum packed with biology students

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Anonymous #46 20w

They can fly out help to them which is safer than letting the ship dock and have any opportunity for the disease to spread to land

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Anonymous #44 20w

I’m assuming, or at least hoping, Spains PM intends to quarantine those onboard to prevent potential spreading. If they do not then…yeah it’s dumb and reckless

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Anonymous #44 20w

Idk what country u live in but we don’t have any measure to prevent hantavirus here in the US. It’s not a concern. In a cruise ship of thousands of ppl, only 5 have gotten it and they are all living on top of each other in an extremely dirty environment. The spread of person to person is rly not a concern, multiple ppl have gotten it cuz they are living in the same contaminated environment. I don’t think ur understanding this

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Anonymous #45 20w

I vote purple where you make them separate into two teams and have them fight it out like Hijacked in BO2 for a cure.

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Anonymous #29 20w

They wouldn’t need to land with a helicopter at all if they didn’t want to, they have flight paramedics who are specifically trained in rappelling who could drop themselves down or supplies down even. More common in search and rescue but not unlikely for standard flight paramedics. Another boat would probably be safest anyways, less vertical risk

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Anonymous #45 20w

And everyone called me crazy for being honest and saying that I would pick red. Ppl who pick blue are just being performative, as soon as it’s something that could actually threaten them like this, you see how people really feel. “Sink that shit idgaf”

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Anonymous #48 20w

People just be forgetting the option of having a helicopter land on the ship to treat them. There is no reason to dock and you can still save the people on board without risking others. It’s a win win.

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Anonymous #11 20w

You can’t keep people on a ship that is having a virus spread through rodent excrement (meaning most likely a contaminated food source) to quarantine because the virus is already present, there is no quarantine and if you force people to stay on said boat and consume food from the on board pantry’s then anyone who does become infected and dies is on your hands, because you forced them to stay on a boat with limited food and known possible contamination in the food available.

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Anonymous #44 20w

so what happens to the help once they’ve gone to help them? Are you just gonna leave boatloads/helicopters full of aid workers on the ship because they’ve been exposed now? Get real.

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Anonymous #25 20w

they searched the entire ship and didn’t find any rodents so they’ve determined it’s probably Andes Virus (a sub strain of Hantavirus) which can transmit human to human

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Anonymous #6 20w

Dawg, it’s not like hantavirus has never been seen before, it’s barely cintagious and almost never spreads between humans

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Anonymous #25 20w

Yeah but it doesn’t transmit from human to human, basically just rat poop transmits it

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Anonymous #21 20w

It’s like 400 people are you genuinely a psychopath?

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Anonymous #60 20w

Trolley problem. 400 or 8,000,000,000

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Anonymous #2 20w

Poop cruise 🥰

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Anonymous #2 20w

its insane how many downvotes you're getting for saying that we shouldn't just let everyone on the ship go without treatment in the middle of the ocean. like empathy is dead wtf

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Anonymous #67 20w

yall are acting like PPE doesnt exist. are we so deadass

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Anonymous #48 20w

yeah maybe you just don't have empathy because the majority chose blue like every single poll i saw

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Anonymous #67 20w

like genuinely the lack of empathy from some of yall is concerning

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Anonymous #67 20w

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Anonymous #67 20w

You have suicidal empathy

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Anonymous #12 20w

the andes strain of hantavirus IS documented to spread between humans in close proximity. if you are going to call others ignorant, at least genuinely learn about the disease

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Anonymous #60 20w

no, the andes strain DOES transmit between humans. they meant what they said.

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Anonymous #28 20w

It is capable of transmitting from human to human but it is very rare and requires close contact for a prolonged period of time for example living in a cruise ship cabin with someone. This is not a greater public health threat

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Anonymous #25 20w

You are missing the key part which is how infectious these diseases are. Covid is one of the most infectious diseases to ever exist which is why it killed so many ppl despite having a very low fatality rate. Hantavirus is very hard to transmit for human to human so it doesn’t kill many ppl despite having a high fatality rate. This disease has been widely known since the 50s and infects 100’s of thousands of ppl a year in the US alone. This is not a global public health threat.

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Anonymous #15 20w

yeah man sure i'm suicidal because i actually understand how public health works?

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Anonymous #47 20w

hell yeah

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Anonymous #67 20w

Yah I hate how stupid this comment section is. They are just scared cuz this has a high death rate and they had never heard of it before. This isn’t comparable to Covid in any way. This disease has been widely known since the 50’s with 100’s of thousands of cases annually. Yes it’s deadly but it’s not a major public health concern. Covid was a brand new virus that was extremely infectious, one of the most ever, and had significantly disproportionate impacts on different risk groups

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Anonymous #12 20w

The varying effects on different risk groups is also why it was so deadly because ppl who were barely sick would spread it to an at risk group and then a significant number of ppl in that group would die

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yes I lived and worked with blue collar workers unfortunately. Aka poor people

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You can’t always help it when mice get in, not everywhere has a feral cat population to keep them in check, in my town it’s actually the winter that we have our break outs because of all the field rodents trying to find warm places (inside) to nest

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cleaning mouse poop is one of the big ways that people get hantavirus actually

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Anonymous #12 20w

yeah exactly

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It’s also because I live in a rural area. Basically in the middle of the woods. We have rodent problems everywhere, and no one to fix them.

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Despite you arguing to not generalize a group of people, you do have to acknowledge that poorer people (people like where I live where it’s mostly farm hands and then a couple rich farm owners) don’t always have the time or the money to handle it, cleaning supplies cost money, gloves cost money, masks cost money, and every minute they spend trying to clean it is a minute they aren’t able to make money.

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Anonymous immortal.snail 20w

Yes this. My dad works in construction and spends a lot of time renovating and fixing up super old cabins. He’s lucky enough to be able to take the proper precautions. But I know so many that don’t have the same privilege

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Anonymous #67 20w

They said that about Covid LMAO

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Anonymous #45 20w

ok read this paper and come back to me

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Anonymous #67 20w

Doesn’t account for mutations, covid went through rapid mutations at the early stage. This can do the exact same don’t even joke lad

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Anonymous #45 20w

bro please read the paper! the literal POINT OF THE PAPER is discussing the frequency OF THE MUTATIONS in this specific virus! we have known about hantaviruses since the 50s and the andes strain specifically since the 90s! covid-19 was literally first discovered in 2019!

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Anonymous #67 20w

COVID-19 is the coronavirus which predates the 19th.

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Anonymous #45 20w

counterpoint: COVID-19 is one specific virus, SARS-CoV-2, which was discovered in December 2019, that exists in a family of viruses called coronaviruses, which have been around since the 50s.

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Anonymous #45 20w

COVID-19 =/= the entire family of coronaviruses

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Anonymous #12 20w

It’s the strain that is transmitted between humans

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Anonymous #28 20w

I have acknowledged that it is possible to spread between humans so idk why ur bringing that up as a “gotcha”. Spread between humans is still very rare and requires close contact for a long period of time such as living together in a cruise cabin. Transmission is not a big concern, this disease is not a public health threat

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Anomalies happen. It is a disease and ppl can get it. Idk what to tell u. That fact doesn’t make it common or a big concern. There’s 100’s of thousands of cases of this disease a year, it’s not a public health threat

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You totally missed the point. Yes it is possible to get with any exposure but it’s very rare and typically requires prolonged, close contact. This is not a disease that is highly transmissible, this is not a public health threat. There are hundreds of thousands of cases a year, it’s rly not a problem

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Anonymous #12 19w

facts, it’s not even a pubic health threat. More of an overall health threat than just in the pubic region

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