Anonymous #7 1w

And if I spend too much time thinking about it I will again

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We’ve accomplished plenty of breakthroughs in science and technology without harming animals. While yes, in this case it did lead to significant feats of science, that doesn’t make the unnecessary loss of life any less sad, human or otherwise.

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Hey so that’s still animal abuse, and in the science community that’s still not condoned. There were plenty of other options they could have done but they slowly and brutally killed an animal instead. This type of shit isn’t allowed in science, and is heavily frowned upon (also illegal in many countries now)

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Anonymous #10 1w

Yeah she doesn’t look happy in the pic on the left that’s a crazy bait and switch from being the first dog in space to wtf they are just gonna leave me up here to die

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: me when I have no life and am a loser so the only way I get joy is from trolling randos online

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Anonymous #18 1w

The US would’ve done it too tbh

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Anonymous #33 1w

It gets pretty dark the more you look at how science evolves the random senseless experiments that branch off you’d think were some random online horror story so if your thinking of going down that rabbit hole don’t

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Anonymous #32 1w

i would really rather not that poor bby did not deserve to die

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Anonymous #33 1w

Ya none of them did

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Anonymous #34 1w

Ya most people aren’t monsters tho I think Vladimir Demikhov could be argued to be one of the

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Anonymous #32 1w

Be one*

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Anonymous #24 1w

You think animal testing is a Russian thing?

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Anonymous #10 1w

why would you write this omg 😩😩

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 1w

also, i just want to add that one of the lead scientists who sent her up there has since stated that with each passing year he regrets it more and that what they learned or the accomplishment of the trip was not worth her life, that she was a good dog

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Anonymous #7 1w

so damn real

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Anonymous #36 1w

Throwing a dog into space for literally no reason and gaining no data from it isn’t an animal test, that’s animal cruelty There was literally zero reason a dog had to be in there they just wanted to say they had the first living thing in space

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Anonymous #24 1w

They have a point. If you think that Russia is the only country testing animals to a point where it’s animal cruelty, you’re kidding yourself. America technically doesn’t do it anymore, however American companies do, just to places where it’s legal/not illegal (yes there’s a difference)

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Anonymous #10 1w

When did America send a dog for fun to die in space?

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Anonymous #24 1w

it wasn’t for fun on the Soviets part but I see where your coming from

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Anonymous #41 1w

That is one way to put it

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Anonymous #42 1w

So true tho

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I mean I don’t agree with shaming people for eating meat since that’s the main food option, especially here BUT I also don’t think losing empathy for them while they’re sentient alive isn’t really a “gotcha” moment either.

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Anonymous #47 1w

*sentient and alive is really

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Anonymous #42 1w

No, not at all because this is animal abuse, there would be an uproar if it was another animal too. And FYI it’s omnivore tears. Spare me your scurvy

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Anonymous #24 1w

There is a wikipedia page titled "animals in space" that says the US sent numerous monkeys and mice into space even before the Soviets sent Laika. And it was for research, not fun. It's horribly cruel to send animals to their deaths like this but the research was necessary for space travel.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 1w

period perry

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Anonymous #37 1w

Cause everyone else is just writing the same thing reading it is like eating a piece of Styrofoam with no hot sauce

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Anonymous #42 1w

not true, i personally would be the same amount of sad if it were a pig or chicken too. no animal should have to live in fear and be overheating and stressed dying in a little pod.

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Anonymous sexy_bitch_02 1w

There really isn’t one to make

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Anonymous #24 1w

Look these up. They’re just as cruel: Harry Harlow's Sensory Deprivation Experiments Edward Taub's Monkey Experiments LSD Experiment on an Elephant Beagle Puppy Experiments at UPenn Beagle Puppy Experiments at Liberty Beagle Puppy Experiments at the NIAID (Beagles are used a lot because they are they forgive people the most)

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Anonymous #10 1w

I’ll add one Vladimir Demikhov two headed dog

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Anonymous #10 1w

John Hopkins owl electrodes on skull University or Pittsburgh sewing mice together UNC decapitating mice without numbing them

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Anonymous #10 1w

You know that sounds like something unc would do

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You sound so fucking stupid don’t leave your house ever again

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What does this even mean lmfao

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Anonymous #3 1w

Really tho? Bc the US didnt

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Anonymous #57 1w

We did the same thing with monkeys. Don’t worry the US has plenty of horrifying animals abuse research stories too

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Anonymous #10 1w

Pretty sure no one is free from those kinds of stories

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Anonymous #57 1w

US has also done it with people, just to step up the game (Tuskegee Syphilis Study)

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Just proving the point that liberals actually have fucking empathy and clearly your ass doesn’t

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Anonymous #57 1w

because the US was behind in most of the space race lmao

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Anonymous #24 1w

no reason? you are such a moron. it was an important and necessary test and it was one steet dog from moscow there are still plenty of them for you to weep over

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Anonymous #5 1w

If it was so necessary then you should’ve gone then

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Anonymous #10 1w

This took place 68 years ago my dude.

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its still disgusting how we value our lives over all else and would sacrifice a completely innocent creature

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Anonymous #5 1w

necessary my ass 😂 not bro tryna sound smart

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it would’ve advanced science even further if they had at least attempted to plan for her return. they ended up wasting more scientific potential by just sending her up there and then spending more materials and time on entirely separate missions where they tried to send living creatures up and also have them return

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Anonymous #37 1w

I know right? I’m crying right now and it’s not even 7am here 😭

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Anonymous #5 1w

It wasn’t necessary, because space exploration isn’t important and there are dozens of other options before shoving a dog into a metal non insulated tin

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Anonymous #74 1w

The current Russian government isn’t much better tbh

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Anonymous #63 1w

And it was still known to be animal abuse back then

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Anonymous #3 1w

It's not but that doesn't change the fact that the Soviets were human trash

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Anonymous #74 1w

This is why you think they are terrible and you’re glad they’re? 😂

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Anonymous #20 1w

What does this even mean

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Anonymous #10 1w

The US tried to parachute their monkeys out. The Soviets just said “lol” and cooked the dog alive.

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Anonymous #5 1w

If they were doing an “important test” why didn’t they use something close to humans like a chimp and why didn’t they try to parachute them out out to safely study them and avoid killing them for no reason. This is what the Us did

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Anonymous #12 1w

Soviets kinda won the space race. They were literally first in everything but landing on the moon, which was a desperate American attempt.

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Anonymous #82 1w

it doesn’t count if it’s not successful and it’s not successful if your astronaut does not survive the mission. Our astronauts made it back alive 1st

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In what way exactly?

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You don’t think it’s wrong that she was k1lled??

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Bozo

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Anonymous #3 1w

You don't have to censor the work killed lol

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Anonymous #74 1w

Word*

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I think your screen turned off and you saw your own reflection for a sec because that dog is cute.

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Who gives a damn if it's ugly? It's a creature with feelings just like you. It hurts like hell to die the way she did. Why are you so worked up over this?

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Anonymous #21 1w

The scientists and engineers involved were given 4 weeks to design and build one of the first life support systems ever used in space, to see if it was possible for organisms to survive in space. They intended to euthanize her with poisoned food after 7 days at the end of the mission, as the technology for atmospheric reentry didn’t exist yet. She died 4 orbits in because 4 weeks wasn’t enough time to develop a reliable temperature control system, it didn’t work properly, and she overheated.

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Anonymous #85 1w

That doesn’t make it any less horrible or unethical????

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Anonymous #24 1w

The goal was to see if it was possible for complex organisms to survive launch and radiation in space, and they were given 4 weeks by the government to design and launch the first life support system in space. The plan was to euthanize her after 7 days with poisoned food, as they didn’t have the technology for reentry. They tracked her heart rate and actions the whole time, gathering data until she died when the rushed temperature control system failed. They didn’t just kill a dog for fun

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So, in many instances people who are not self absorbed assholes will talk about things that make them sad and promote kindness to all creatures for the sake of expressing a thought or idea. You kind of outed yourself there for only showing empathy or contributing to a conversation when it makes you look good or boosts your fragile ego

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Anonymous #88 1w

Sure there’s nothing wrong with showing empathy. But in not in any way of from “devastating” or “atrocious” or “gut wrenching”. That dog is probably not even aware of its own existence. There are literally family’s being separated in Ukraine - wives from the man they love, kids alike. Answer me how would the world or anyone’s life be any better if a random dog (that anyway had 2 years max in it) lived?

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Anonymous #84 1w

There’s no way that dog is cute

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Anonymous #72 1w

Stop calling yourself a dog just because you’re acting like one doesn’t mean you are one

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Anonymous #59 1w

as a liberal, we did not need to make this political

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Anonymous #72 1w

Dawg it is entirely possible for multiple things to be terrible and wrong. Animal cruelty is atrocious and devastating regardless of what came from it. What’s happening in Ukraine is also devastating and awful. The two aren’t comparable, but both are tragic and wrong. Why can’t both be a problem in your mind?? How does disliking animal cruelty equate to anything about Ukraine??

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Anonymous #93 1w

another cornball joined the chat

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Anonymous #72 1w

Hmm cornball. Is that all you could come up with or is that all that can fit in your vocabulary? Last I checked I didn’t ask for an opinion when I commented, I stated my feelings. That dog is still a dog, something that is commonly kept as a house pet. Regardless of if it had a home or not it still deserved just as much love as any of your more than likely purse dogs. Unless you’re a cat person then that would explain all I really care to know about you as a person. Have a lovely night 🩷

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Anonymous #93 1w

I love cats. Have a lovely night ❤️ I apologize for the umpompted aggression

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Anonymous #94 1w

That’s a bad idea on so many levels.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 1w

I’m providing context, with the goal of demonstrating that the very limited information in the original post doesn’t represent the story faithfully. The OP intended to give the reader the impression that the people involved launched a dog into space for politics (true), they were too lazy to plan a safe return into the mission architecture (they didn’t have the time or technology necessary) and that she died to negligence (it was mechanical failure due to tech and time constraints).

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 1w

That said, was it worth it for the information they gained from the mission? No. Several of the scientists involved said as much. But it’s not as simple as the post portrays it. It should be the starting point for a meaningful discussion about the efficacy of animal testing, when it’s permissible, why we have rules surrounding it, etc. We’ve come a long way since then, and the fact that we can point to this as unethical today is a testament to that fact.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 1w

I would argue that the mission’s intended design is much more understandable and arguably more ethical than how it ended up playing out in reality when it failed. But it should never have flown in the first place with how plagued with issues it was, and absolutely would never be allowed today, which is a very good thing. Sorry about splitting up what I had to say into four comments. My Hatred for the character limit cannot be adequately described at this moment in time.

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Anonymous #82 1w

Soviet simps can honestly claim the space race for all I care, I’ll settle for winning the “which country still exists” contest lmao

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Anonymous #96 1w

Unbearable

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Anonymous #72 1w

what’s unbearable?

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Anonymous #2 6d

Hi

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Anonymous #98 6d

I don’t eat dog though…

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Anonymous #22 6d

nothing about dogs is special

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Anonymous #98 6d

Sweetie you can be sad about anything you want the heart does not follow logic or reason

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Anonymous #98 6d

And nothing about you is special but I’m sure people would be sad if you died a peaceful death let alone sent up in a rocket with no way home and you die from overheating and stress

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Anonymous #98 6d

If a pig is sent up the same way, I’d still feel upset because it’s still animal abuse. Died a horrific and slow death. At least when it’s time to take out a pig to eat it it’s a clean shot in the head.

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Anonymous #84 6d

im saying dogs are not any more special or even smarter than many farm animals so you’re not morally superior for not eating them but still eating pigs for example

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Anonymous #10 6d

ohhhh my god this is an incredible waste of time. do you think that pigs in the meat industry don’t suffer their entire lives due to incredibly poor conditions? there’s animal abuse happening all around you every second of every day but you’re moralizing about a single dog that died 70 years ago.

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Anonymous #98 6d

You take the life of livestock to full fill a purpose of sustaining your body. Not only would I not eat dog, but it’s death was a complete waste.🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #98 6d

Hey, you vegan dip shit, they still aren’t being slowly burnt alive. That’s animal abuse. Shut the fuck up with your veganism and clearly trying to negate the point that in science today if a scientist did that they would be arrested and then blacklisted that this type of animal abuse is not condoned in the science community now or then.

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Anonymous #10 6d

look into how people kill octopuses, or lobsters, or crabs!

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Anonymous #98 6d

Look into how people kill trees, plants, and vegetation!

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Anonymous #84 6d

business major reply

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Anonymous #21 5d

Are you one of those vegans?

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