
I’ll end this discussion by saying this. For someone who introduced their viewpoint by citing their credentials, you are defending it which much more emotional rhetoric than with science, down to even insinuating that my university is not good only but one message into the reply thread. I don’t take it personally, but It does frustrate me that people take science for a joke because others who validate non-scientific and archaic religious ideologies do so behind the shield of a credential.
That is at least the most charitable version that *I* am able to come up with right now unfortunately in our “current situation”. If I may make a spicy comment, it would be that this government’s recent repackaging of unlimited power has been amazingly successfully interpreted as patriotic branding by an unfortunately large population of this country. #RantOver.
For anyone, that’s wondering, I did a little research and the “special envoy for the shield of America” aims to work multinationally rather than purely domestic, and reportedly is being created bc it is thought that a high profile envoy could help align gov policies in the hemisphere regarding cartels, migration, enforcement, intelligence, and security coordination.
She’s being given a position in this new thing Trump is making that he’s calling the “Shield of the Americas” which he says they’re announcing on Saturday. He said it’s a new severity initiative for the western hemisphere lol. Sounds like imperialism to me. He also, on the same post announcing Noem was moving on, said her leadership was exceptional, thanked her for her service, etc. This was not a move of accountability but was definitely designed to make people happy while giving her a new spot
infertile women may have a case on a policywide basis but individually bear little significance. also, placing infertile women on the same level significance-wise as men, who don't have uteri, only undermines your case because obviously those with uteri who are subject to the struggles of having one are more relevant and therefore should have more of a voice. finally, if you're referring to the fetus as the thing that can't speak up for itself, you are terribly uneducated. they are not people.
I graduate with my biochem degree this May, with a separate focus in biophysics. I am entirely educated on this subject. From both a physics and biology standpoint it is obvious that no nonliving object can become living, other than from the act of fertilization. A human is formed the instant the egg is fertilized. That is not my own fault, that is a scientific fact that is the basis for all human life. Caring about and determining worth from the different stages of development is -
entirely a person by person outlook as we have seen through the years, but that doesn’t stop a human from becoming a human at conception. It is understood that they do not have a heartbeat the day of conception, nor a completely neural network, but that never disproves that they became alive the day of conception.
Yet they are inside the body of a WOMAN. A woman who’d be risking her life giving birth- a woman whose body would be put through a tremendous level of horror and pain- an excruciating pain you could never imagine. NO women should be forced through that to fit your “moral compass.” Incel.
I’m very well aware. I am a woman. I have PCOS. i have excruciating periods, which will never be of the magnitude of childbirth. A baby obviously is inside of a woman’s body. That’s the entire point. But if it was “my body” I’d be the one to die. But it’s not, it’s the baby’s body. You need to realize that when you are pregnant, it is not just YOUR body, it is a separate body inside of you.
If a woman, at even just 20 weeks pregnant, gets into an accident and there’s a huge laceration over her stomach and you look inside, you will see another human being in her. You can’t change that, that is just how carrying a baby works. It’s a separate body whether you’re smart enough to differentiate or not.
I also graduate with a biochem degree with a focus in medicinal chemistry and an evolutionary medicine cert. You should know that cells are living. “no nonliving object can become living, other than from the act of fertilization” is a fundamentally incorrect assessment of what fertilization is and/or does. Beyond that, until birth, it effectively functions as a parasite due to the maternal-fetal struggle. Additionally, when someone has a miscarriage, a “human” has died by your definition.
Boy! #27 and #57 / #47 sure are teaching me multiple things today. News story apparently is an opportunity to see: -the complete picture of rational/logical/emotional processing capabilities (and lack there of) of humans. Ps. #35 thanks for the insights on the Oklahoman, I have started some digging and so far seem to share the same opinions as you. Unfortunately for America.
Then you should very well understand that no other cell within the human body can instantaneously become human. They are a contributing factor to the function of a human. The only cell that becomes human by definition is an egg once it has become fertilized. What uni did you attend? It seems they don’t teach well roundedness. Yes, when a miscarriage occurs, a human dies. That’s why, for women with a heart, it shatters their world. Their child died. What are you not getting?
“instantaneously becomes human” is not scientific terminology, and even then ONLY works under the assumption that a zygote is human. I reject that premise because it is not scientifically supported. Miscarriages also do not scientifically result in a “human’s” death. The whole point of a miscarriage is that there was a chromosomal abnormality that is incompatible with life, meaning that it was NEVER human to begin.
“The only cell that becomes human by definition is an egg once it has become fertilized.” The cell doesn’t become human. A human what we call the trillions of cells that coordinate together to make the living organism. A zygote is nothing more than two sex cells coming together to complete a full set of genetic instructions in a way that allows for increased genetic variation. Lastly, the number of women in the US who actively try to promote a miscarriage rather than mourn one is comparable.
I know that my studies are more physics based so i dive more into the fundamentals or biology vs surface level like yourself, but you should be able to see that when you don’t have the capacity to understand very low level, first year things, to someone further along, it’s not looking the best for you. It sucks to be stuck in a field where selfishness overrides fact
A focus means our degrees differ by a singular class. They are both very high level. I have the advantage of knowing evolutionary medicine, which you lack. It would be beneficial to you to become familiar with it before claiming to be more informed on a topic that is fundamentally more concerned with evolution than with anything else. We’re talking about a zygote here, not protein transport or thermodynamics.
Are you dense? The Nuremberg Defense is so famous in part because it was dismissed. The Nazis were still charged with war crimes, and many were executed. It was not a legally defensible claim then, and it’s not now either. The government and police have an obligation to do what’s right, not follow the law.