Man there’s some real idiots here and it’s clear some of yall never actually watched one of his videos or debates. The man devoted his life to spreading his religion and showing how to peacefully disagree with some one. Idek why I’m writing this bc I know there is no way to change some of y’all’s minds
What truly sucks is that most American Christians refuse to understand that language is metaphorical and that “scripture” is always open to interpretation. To disregard this fact is to devalue it, rather than elevate it. The Bible” isn’t one thing. It’s an anthology of ancient texts and various genres . Think of it as a library reflecting an ancient culture’s understand of “god” and “righteousness.” Until we can stop pretending like it’s some kind of magical eternal wordsmithing we r fucked
It is a widly successful ministry. Its not just about arguing politics, but more about apologetics. And Gods “vision” plan is mostly unknown to people but the success of a ministry can in some ways show if its in Gods plan or not. Idk feel free to dm me if you have questions this is a very basic view on a pretty deep topic
In what ways do they teach equality?? When the face of their company says he “doesn’t agree” with the fact that gay marriage is okay, their company is NOT teaching equality. When he says that he hopes a black pilot is qualified, simply because he is black, that is NOT teaching equality.
that is literally the last thing they teach. they teach white supremacy and racism and definitely do not spread the bible how God intended it to be spread. He asked for us to spread it with love and to go out declaring the Good News; not to scream hate speech in someone’s face, call it Christianity, and then tell them they’re going to hell if they don’t immediately want to follow God.
Dude. How can you take “They were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad. It was evil. But what happened? Something changed. They committed less crimes." Out of context? This was in a jubilee “surrounded” video. Just because he said that the laws were evil doesn’t mean this statement isnt still incredibly racist.
I think the problem is that a lot of his words are being taken out of context and the logical reasoning that is present in his arguments is completely discarded. These seem like racist and inflammatory statements when taken out of context which makes it easy to hate him and call him racist or whatever. But I’ve looked at the clips inside the context and they tell a completely different story, he’s not racist at all, you are just missing the context. But most people like to ignore that so they ha
His point was that since the 1950s (when there were Jim Crow laws), black Americans have gotten worse off economically, which shouldn’t make sense. He claims it’s because 75% of black youth grow up without a father, which leads to more black crime, specifically homicides. When he says “they were better,” he means they committed less crimes and were better off economically in general than they are now. how is that racist?
That’s why it’s important in addition to God’s word to have a church guided by the Holy Spirit, because having a holy book like the Bible means nothing if anyone just chooses what they want their own takeaways to be. Don’t get me wrong reading the Bible for yourself is great, but it needs to be properly directed and guided so you don’t lead yourself astray with misinterpretations or your own biases.
Kirk says women should prioritize getting married and starting a family over career. By his logic, she needs to raise her kids not be a CEO, and she needs to find a new husband asap. Except Kirk said women over 30 are not as attractive in the dating pool. Hopefully she’ll find a new husband and step down. It’s what Kirk would want
Just goes to show how little nuance the left walks with in life. You think anyone who likes Charlie Kirk=racist when he was actively speaking out against racism. People love to take his quote on being concerned about black pilots out of context. He’s letting y’all know that DEI and affirmative action is what causes people to second guess when they see someone of color at a job that they very could’ve gotten through merit but now we’ll never know because of the DEI programs. He was going AGAINST
Dude that is not what DEI and affirmative action are. The whole reason why it exists is so that skin color is not a factor when hiring. Anyone who wonders if a poc is qualified for their job bc they are a poc doesn’t need DEI to exist for them to wonder that. They are racist. Also, i am pretty sure that the other person was calling charlie kirk racist, not you.
Those programs don’t practice blind hiring/ blind recruitment, or they would allow for white people to join their scholarships, internships, jobs, etc. They either don’t consider white people during recruitment of whatever it is, or don’t even allow white people to apply because it’s meant to solely give people of color an upper hand due to the trauma that their ancestors have been through. The only thing about affirmative action I’ve understood is land acknowledgments towards Native Americans
It makes total sense when a marginalized group of people asks for specific reparations, but it gets to a point where we’ve done things like abolishing redlining, the civil rights movement, and the emancipation proclamation, yet it’s never enough to even out the playing field so we then stop merit based hiring just to put people of color on a pedestal in many areas when they were actually thriving much more before DEI hiring started and people began fearing their pilots capabilities
It’s definitely weighing the costs against the benefits. A gun was designed for nothing more than killing, very efficiently too. But cars, knives, etc have a secondary use when it comes to killing. Do i think the benefits of guns outweigh the costs? Conservatives don’t even attempt to do anything about the US’s gun problem so why should anyone do anything but accept it sucks, shrug and say “welp it happens”.
I'm a guy too but also a POC so I feel like a lot of people assume I am the offended party in all this, irl I am actually pretty right leaning and def in favor of free nonviolent speech from both sides of course I don't follow anyone's doctrine blindly I make sure it lines up with my beliefs so I think both sides can learn from each other
You brought up violence, so I showed data about the violence as a whole with a knock about Jan 6th, so then you only focused on Jan 6th, which is stupid because it doesn’t address the whole point. You then said nonsense about someone being in the media. I mean, with the amount of rape related lawsuits, and the fact he was a president elect no fucking shit he was in the news. Remember E. Jean Carroll? He tried to get that overturned last week and lost because of the overwhelming evidence btw.
I mean he is racist and misogynistic but it’s more so that people are taking an issue with pretending that Kirk is a good person, because he absolutely wasn’t. He didn’t deserve to die and the majority of the left would agree, it’s more so that they aren’t surprised and don’t feel sorry for him. Also, wasn’t even a leftie that shot him lol.
Read up on the Minnesota killer. Nothing about that sounds politically motivated. He goes on some weird paranoid rant. He genuinely just seems schizo. He also does happen to be a democrat but I rly don’t think that’s relevant to the murders. Claiming it was due to right wing extremism is just a straight up lie though
Yeah I can, I’m doing right tf now and it’s working great. I don’t need to respect bad people on the slightest nor do I care to. You lost the right to my patience when y’all decided it was too hard to google basic information for the sake of a shitty argument to defend a racist, misogynistic, homophobic piece of shit who’s done nothing but drag Christianity backwards and spread hate. Cry harder 👎
I don’t want your luck. If there was a possibility to convert people that mentally stunted it would’ve already happened. I don’t care nor give af to respect bad people whose every breath is an insult to intelligent life, simply because that oxygen was used on them instead of elsewhere. Data and evidence was never enough, and the morals are bad too, so why tf would I opt to be nice?
Can you see why I opt not to be nice to them? I’ve had these kinds of interactions enough to know it’s not worth it because of their insane cognitive dissonance, and stupid shit like this where they can’t even finish reading whole sentences. I’d literally regret it, if I approached the interaction any differently.
This year there was a shooting at the CDC, the Minnesota lawmakers, the attack on Nancy pelosi, a white nationalist group in the Midwest targeted a Black church, setting it on fire in what they termed a "message to the left", and the Trump assassin was a Republican. These are just the ones I could find
That you think that’s even a gotcha is genuinely so dumb that I’m starting to view you as outright inferior to the average human being. I’m so serious. It shouldn’t be possible be that dumb. You’re trying to argue with substantial longitudinal data because you’re butthurt. It’s crybaby loser shit.
No you read the “inferiority” part and because of the direction that usually goes in mixed up who sent it and the intended target. I openly dehumanize bigoted people, as a super left wing person because I don’t feel guilty in the slightest about it + longitudinal data on cognitive function (of actual good quality, not at all like those comparing gender and race) show lacking cognitive function to be highly linked with bigotry, especially racism.
He does, and just doesn’t care. I mean it’s all over the news about the threats to HBCUs, the neo Nazis gathering because they’re upset Kirk died etc etc. If he was worried about being shoulder to shoulder with Neo Nazis and Klansman, he would’ve changed by now. Are you starting to see why Im quick to stop being nice to creatures like him?
It’s a Money Mill for Grifters, Charlie Kirk knew that hate was going to make home stand out because of his controversy and he rose that piggy bank all the way to his grave. Look like his Hold Digging inheritor is in the same path. She has no other means, so she is trying to stay relevant and within the perimeter of those who currently have power. Reality is that Trump had Charlie Kirk assassinated so that he could deflect attention from Epstein that Charlie Kirk was shining a light on.
Haven’t you ever stopped to wonder 𝙬𝙝𝙮 the Bible considers homosexuality a sin? Can you provide a 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙤𝙣? Zoom out: the Bible is a very old book, and frankly, you don’t have any idea who wrote it. What you are doing right now is citing what is effectively an anonymous text from the distant past. This ancient text is seemingly the basis of your moral code. Does that not trouble you in the slightest?
I mean feel free to choose to be a Christian or not. I mean tbh your response shows such a lack of understanding of the history of the Bible itself that I hope you actually look into it yourself and come to believe eventually. In the mean time tho God bless and if you want to keep responding feel free to but please look up any historical background of the Bible
I think we’re missing the bigger picture being that anyone’s religion has absolutely no bearing on political decision making. TPUSA keeps trying to conflate the two and that is inherently anti-American. A ministry that delves into politics is unconstitutional and borderline treasonous. So people are obviously confused as to why supporters feel moral superiority.
So Paul was homophobic on a personal level? What does that prove? And the other person is correct the Bible never mentions a homosexual relationship founded in love, only exploitation and sexual abuse. Leviticus, sodom&gamorra, etc.. could be interpreted as a condemnation of pedophilia or rape. That interpretation is just as valid as yours
The only part of my argument that rests on the history of the Bible is the anonymity part, which is not an essential feature of my argument. Even if you could present a list of verified authors, all you would’ve shown is that you’re basing your moral code on an ancient text that isn’t anonymous as opposed to one that is. My overall point, which is that you’ve made the peculiar decision to justify your homophobia with an ancient text, still stands
Morality doesn’t exist without religion. Every single one of your morals and ideals, the things you consider to be right or wrong, come from Abrahamic faiths. You don’t have to like that fact, but it is true. Prior to religion, “murder” wasn’t a thing. It was a part of survival. As a lion fights a lion over territory, so did man.
I just want to say from another Christian, I understand what you meant. I despise telling people I’m a Christian but not “THAT kind of christian” which obviously refers to the ck and dt idolizers. Conservative extremists will always try to not comprehend what you’re saying because they think it makes their argument stronger
There’s a reason why amongst the black community, there’s a huge meme of “when somebody says something racist then goes ‘but I have a black friend’ and the black friend is Candace Owens”. Candace Owens is what you’d get if Uncle Ruckus existed IRL, and was a woman instead of a man.
We pray and work on ourselves for a reason. Now granted even Jesus lost his patience sometimes too. More importantly, why is it you’re moving to whining and being self righteous about the validity of my Christianity rather than making a point of substance? It’s stupid shit like this why I lack patience in the first place
I love Charlie too RIP, the whole reason why everyone commenting on this is so aggravated from the left side is because they want to divide their opinions from the right. Never accepting that everyone will always have different views and values also never taking action on what they think are the issues throughout our country!
Let me clear the narrative for you. Charlie Kirk preached faith, family, and for the wife to be able to take care of her children because that is a privilege. When a mother is single you lost the privilege of being able only care for your children, she has to take care of her family by continuing the work her husband started. Network doesn’t = salary.
Well that’s obviously their mission, because why else would an organization like that exist? And honestly I have nothing against Christianity or any religion for that matter, anyone is free to believe and be guided by whatever…idc. It is my impression however that they will continue to use Christianity and now the death of Charlie as a facade to try and implement their radical right wing ideologies.
The majority of the country is Christian so it’s no surprise the majority of the ppl in office are. At the end of the day America and the western world as a whole, all of our values, morals, laws, and customs are shaped almost entirely from the Christian faith. It’s impossible to separate any country in the western world from its Christian roots. If the administration declared Christianity as our nations official religion it wouldn’t bother me as long as religious freedom remained intact
As a Christian, I hate no one. God did make Man for woman and Woman for man. God's intent was not Man for Man and Women for Women. I don’t hate the gays, but they are living in sin just as we all are. Why would I hate some if we are on the same boat? The difference is that many Christians acknowledge that they live sinful lives, repent, and try to separate themselves from their worldly desires. If this is hate speech to you, that's wild.
I think you’re missing the part where it already bends to the morality of Christianity. That’s the reality of the genesis of the western world, it’s tied to Christianity. Western values and morals are Christian values and morals. And no I don’t think it impedes anyone’s personal freedom as everyone is still able to practice whatever religion they want
Yes those things can be aligned with individuals who don’t identify as Christian’s but because the western world was shaped by Christianity and the west has over a thousand years of Christian history and Christian culture it’s inherent that anyone in the western world has those values even if they don’t consider themselves Christian due to their cultural upbringing. For example someone born and raised in another part of the world will have different values than a westerner even if both secular
I also hard disagree with the second statement you made. It’s only within the last hundred years that countries stopped governing themselves solely based on religion. The entire history of the west is almost solely based on Christianity and the west has always been the nicest, most accepting place to live
He didn’t like empathy, and preferred the word sympathy. From everything I’ve seen of the guy, he seemed to genuinely care about others, including those he disagreed with. It’s honestly not even about his views at this point. It’s about what he represented to people. And on the right, he represented open discourse and a willingness to engage with opposing views. It is this ideal that people feel was attacked that day, and I hope we can all agree that is an ideal we should uphold.
That’s not exactly what DEI is. DEI actually harms Asians and Indians more than white people. DEI is quotas for each race so you are basically only competing against your race instead of the entire talent pool. Yes everyone need to meet a minimum standard but due to the fact that you are filling quotas the average admitted Asian student is going to have to be more qualified than the average admitted black student
Maybe the morality of Christianity seems bent to you because you’re associating it with politics. I don’t think the issue is society trying to change Christianity, it’s Christianity trying to change society. Western values are based on civility, democracy and human rights. They are many religious beliefs that are oppressive and do not better society
Civilization as we know it today and it’s aligned teaching/morals from Christianity such as love thy neighbor, thou shall not kill, steal, lie, etc… I agree are belief system that allows for humans to live in peace and harmony. Yes, several societal laws of western civilization and what we as a collective have deemed right vs wrong are adopted from Christianity, however it doesn’t inherently mandates Christianity to be the law of any land. That is not the purpose of what it is to be a Christian.
Western morality is not based on Christianity 😭 maybe that's what England tried to make happen by replacing the already existing societies but that shit did not stick. I don't know if you've looked around recently but the Christian "majority" is getting slimmer everywhere but the White House
This! Jesus loved everyone’s which is why people followed him and believed in him so when you are so hateful, u can’t expect people to want to follow the same path as you. I mean I’m catholic, went to catholic school growing up so I still follow Jesus but we walk different paths and my path shows kindness towards the people who have different views that me
2 people in a row hating on the church. I hope nobody listens to this crap, some people like to just put down the church out of ignorance or bad intentions and try to make other people share their terrible worldview. If anyone hears stuff like this and is curious, please look up the official church’s standings on stuff like this so you know the truth instead of just listening to some random person’s nonsense
Off the top of my head I don’t know the rest of the stories you’re discussing but I would love to talk further about them. What I know is that his words on a “black pilot” weren’t about black ppl being pilots. They were about the fact that DEI takes away from merit. When you need to hit quotas you don’t get the best talent. This is most evidently shown by admission of Asian students. The Students For Fair Admissions sued elite colleges and won on the basis of discrimination against Asians
Besides the blatant misinformation against him, I think part of the issue is that he came to fame very much during the peak of the Ben Shapiro-esque “GENIUS DESTROYS CRYING BABY LIBS!!!” era of online discourse, so I think a lot of people attribute that to him, despite the fact he was the one that broke away from that mold.
Are we forgetting that Harvard was successfully sued for discrimination due to their affirmative action policies? Diversity quotas absolutely can and do lead to a lowering of standards for targeted populations. The insane part is that the UK already solved this. It’s called blind applications. Instead, every single job application you fill out now has a demographics survey because companies actually get ESG points for hiring non-white which translates directly into stock and investor dollars.
That’s just blatantly false. There has been literally lawsuits successfully won on the information that I just described. Because of DEI Asian applicants need to be more qualified. I’m not even totally against DEI I just think it should be altered to give preference to ppl from low income families instead of based on race
Like which lawsuits? Because I can name several that failed because affirmative action was found to not be discriminatory (e.g. the bakke decision of 1978, the bollinger decision of 2003, and even more recent ones like Alexandre v. Amazon or Diemert v. Seattle), and several RECENT peer studies found the same (i.e. RL O’Brien, et al. in 2019, J Mota in 2021, and M. Ronald in 2021). You shouldn’t even need fact checking for that given
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014292122000290 Asian applicants would see their average admit rate rise by 19% if they were treated as white. Also in 2023 Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA) won their lawsuit against Harvard for racial discrimination against Asians. It’s not some conspiracy that DEI does also hurt certain groups
First off that’s because the US is a majority white country so obviously any position is going to be majority white. Also the average age for a Fortune 500 CEO is 58. The racial demographics of the country were significantly more white when that generation was born than it is now.
Putting a pause on the topic here… the way you engage really makes me feel like you more so just want to say your own peace and don’t actually care about other people’s pov. It makes me reluctant to respond to your messages because it feels like it’ll be a waste of time on both our ends.
How did I not address every point you made lol? I brought you an article from 2022 published by a reputable source and a successful lawsuit against Harvard for discrimination against Asian students due to DEI policies. You’re just being blatantly ignorant rn. Also never said anything negative about black ppl or woman and didn’t even advocate for totally removing DEI. I advocated for altering it to benefit ppl based on income class instead of trivial things like race
@gtconway.bsky.social @markhamillofficial.bsky.social #CharlieKirk was no different than #JesseJames he killed many men without remorse all on the banner of family and God, but it #Greed that drove him. This was the same demise #Kirk met for walking the same path of hate and vitriol #Karma
This only proves that the white-led admissions board CHOSE to discriminate against asian applicants (which they do, because they are and always have been racist). This isn’t even an evaluation on affirmative action as a policy, which makes it a senile non-sequitur that you desperately contorted to fit your argument (and you likely didn’t even read the study, because if you did, you’d realize affirmative action wasn’t even directly referenced)
Secondly, if you really cared about discrimination against Asians (you don’t) or if you actually had data comprehension skills, you’d have gone to check and related information about how low-income Asian American families (especially Laotian and Cambodian families) greatly benefit from affirmative action programs, and how there’s not a single Asian-American demographic in which more than half of disapprove of AA programs lmao. Sit tf down - nobody but whites have an advantage here
Well that’s just a blatant lie, most Asian Americans (52%) disapprove of affirmative action. Also I’ll ask you this simple question. If the issue was white racism, why are white ppl demographically underrepresented at Harvard as compared to the general US population while other racial groups are equally or over represented as compared to the US population. Mind you white ppl have the second highest average test scores of any race in the country
The lack of reading comprehension going crazy once again; that’s literally not the same thing😭 “Do you support affirmative action” is not the same question as “do you approve of colleges considering race and ethnicity in admissions”. I know, words are hard, but please try- anyway since you like Pew as a source, let’s see what they have to say about individual Asian-American demographics on the actual relevant topic:
also i think we’re starting to conflate the purpose of DEI in the first place. it’s not about giving undeserving people access to economic advancement opportunities, it’s about giving deserving, hardworking people opportunities to achieve the american dream. who cares if every workplace isn’t an exact demographic replica of the country? why are we gate keeping employment? and let’s not pretend like jobs are given to “the best possible person for the job” — it’s always about who you know
i mean that’s a fair point and sure you could argue that, but again— we’re not going to go through every school in the US and compare their demographics to some larger population because that’s irrelevant and a waste of time. who cares about the demographics of Harvard? why do they HAVE to have an overwhelming population of whites? genuinely what is the point you’re trying to make?
Giving underserved ppl access to economic advancement IS giving deserving, hardworking ppl opportunities to achieve the American dream. In 2025 minority groups are not being excluded from anywhere on the basis of race, the best way to move forward and improve as a society is to help ppl of lower income classes regardless of race.
and you know what— i’m all for this, in all honesty. I’d love a “DEI” that’s meant to help people of lower have access to economic advancement opportunities! Unfortunately our government has taken that beneficial system away and replaced it with… nothing. so anyway it’s not left vs right is top vs bottom have a good day
We’re sitting here having a conversation about race because we are speaking about an outdated system that currently is geared towards race. This doesn’t mean that as a country our general societal views are racist. In 2025 ppl mix races freely in dating and broadly socially as friends, coworkers, acquaintances, etc. That’s what I mean when I say we are in a post racial society
things being improved comparatively to an extremely racist period in our history does not equal post-racial society i’m so sorry😭 “mix races” ew that’s such an odd way to describe two people falling in love. anyway i don’t think we’re going to agree on this topic and that’s ok. fortunately that’s the great thing about free speech. hopefully our future administration will reinstate a policy to help low income people get a leg up in this corrupt society
Mix races wasn’t exclusively towards dating it was towards the fact that we have a mixed society. And anyways we definitely have a post racial society when it comes to the culture of the day. Right now the only way to help ppl is to help lower income ppl. Underserved areas are forgotten about and that what creates wealth divides. Policies based on income class would literally help every American
yes i agree with you, as i’ve stated already. helping people of lower income will effectively still be helping people of color and other underserved communities as well. if we want to get rid of buzzwords like “diversity” i don’t gaf, as long as more people get the help they need and deserve. so have we found common ground #53?
show me in the Bible where we should affirm sin. “preaching acceptance” should be preaching that God accepts sinners, because we ALL are, and then transforms us into the likeness of Christ instead of continuing in sin. real love doesn’t affirm sin, because affirming sin is lying and saying it’s ok to do something wrong
Because it is 2025 and strictly race based policies are not rly applicable anymore. Anyways the root of discrepancies between races often comes down to income class. Addressing the underlying issue of income class helps racial minorities far more than how DEI is implemented today