Anonymous #1 3w

liberation project, a commitment which the PNA for better or worse had been unable to accomplish due in part to its agreement to disarm under Oslo and in part to its increasing amount of corruption. Back in ‘05 and ‘06, Hamas was seen as a moral, freedom-fighting alternative. In the last couple of years, Hamas has been torturing Palestinians in sheds, generally treating Gazans poorly, and doing whatever it can to retain power in a dynamic they created where legitimacy rests on how much they are

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Anonymous #1 3w

Seen as engaging in militant strategy to advance the liberation project AND how much they are seen as Islamic. For this reason they’re struggling for authority with Islamic Jihad. October 7th may have been as much a ploy to retain power as it was a desperate grab at an opportunity to strike back.

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Anonymous #1 3w

So yeah fuck Israel and free Palestine but also the canonization of Hamas needs to stop. Atp Hamas benefits from the existence of the occupation and I doubt sincerely their commitment to its eradication, even aside from the fact that they treat Gazans awfully.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Shut up libtard.

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Anonymous #1 3w

And it’s not a dynamic Hamas has been creating for its own benefit. If it was then they wouldn’t demand marwan barghouthi’s release.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Can you do another copium fueled effort post about how the Apache warriors or Jewish partisans were problematic too?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’m not saying it’s a dynamic they created for their own benefit I’m saying it’s a dynamic they contributed to the creation of, but I doubt they saw this outcome coming back when they were a wing of the MB participating in Al Banna’s gradualist approach to Islamism

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Anonymous #1 3w

They DO benefit from it. The legitimacy lent Islamist organizations by the existence, professionalism, and respect given people by a separate Islamic sector in Gaza helped to give Hamas its wins back in 05 and 06 but given they originally refused to participate in the political process at all I highly doubt this was their objective

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Anonymous #1 3w

It’s a dynamic Israel deliberately created is my point, by funding Hamas and focusing their efforts on dividing and eliminating the secular resistance factions

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Anonymous #1 3w

Yeah bro lmao clearly Hamas benefiting from getting genocided. Stfu moron

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Anonymous OP 3w

Israel originally funded the Islamic organizations because it saw them as a way to release some of the pressure of occupation and keep people from militant resistance. When Islamist organizations with a militant nationalist bent emerged they absolutely capitalized on it and went hardcore divide and conquer, but the authority Hamas was able to command in Gaza wasn’t like. An accident. They were able to do that with the Israeli (etc) support because of the existing respect and moral status

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Anonymous #1 3w

Already commanded by the Islamic sector in Gaza

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Anonymous #1 3w

Yeah and Hamas hasn’t committed a human rights violation apart from holding their civilian hostages since oct 7

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Anonymous #1 3w

And your point is?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Well, 1.) Understanding systems and dynamics of power is important in understanding how to ensure society’s most vulnerable are protected, going forward 2.) Understanding how historically Hamas has claimed authority can forecast (not foretell because fuck that) where it may encounter pitfalls that would be detrimental to the success of the liberation project. I’m not anti-Hamas, especially not right now, but I think we should all feel complicated about Hamas. Hero worship is always dangerous

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Anonymous #1 3w

Right now Israel is doing a holocaust in Gaza anyone fighting against it is justified and morally righteous

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Anonymous #1 3w

You’re just a shmuck that’s trying to hold onto the notion that Israel or the western ruling class gives af about diplomacy well thought out arguments

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Anonymous #1 3w

And it’s always been Israel’s intention to ethnically cleanse all of Palestine regardless of how peaceful or well articulated the Palestinians resist against them

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Anonymous OP 3w

Justified yes morally righteous in doing so yes beyond reproach no

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’m…? Literally not??? Brother can you read? Lmfao

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yes you are correct

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Anonymous #1 3w

Well if you agree with those positions what was the reason you effort posted a historiography pointing to flaws in the resistance?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Historiography is an awfully grand characterization of what I did, and I wasn’t pointing out flaws in the resistance; I was pointing out trends in the resistance.

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